Heartbreaking Abuse

Warning, the first post should not be read by sensitive people:

The Breaking the “Diabolical Will” of Infants in the IFB – Even at Hephzibah House: Pondering Pearl and Lydia Schatz Part VII

There But For Grace: Why Good People Make Dangerous Choices (Pondering Pearl and Lydia Schatz) Part VIII


Humiliation at Hephzibah House: Restriction and Control over Restroom Breaks

More Responses to the 20/20 IFB Story

Bob Bixby shares an update from Tina Anderson’s husband. Tina, as you may remember, was featured on the 20/20 story about abuse in some IFB churches.

And here are 2 more responses to the 20/20 show:

20/20 And The IFB Culture by Baptist Thinker

IFB by David Schmidt from Thoughts of an Unlearned.

And if I may make my own comment on the show and the responses, I must say that I am rather disappointed that I am not seeing more discussion of the part about the harsh teachings of using corporeal punishment of babies in some of these churches.  I have seen only a few references to harsh punishment and that is it.  Elizabeth Vargas was properly shocked at the idea of spanking infants for crying in church and then the topic was pretty much dropped.  I found one blog post about it.  In each of the other pages about it to which I have linked lately, I have seen much discussion in the comments about sexual abuse and coverups as well as how linked the IFB churches are or are not.  I have seen mentions of spiritual abuse and legalism.  I have seen no outrage for the idea of spanking infants nor even a discussion of what age would be ok to start.  I must be missing something.  If someone has seen such discussion, I would be interested.

 

edited to add:

I see that Bob Bixby posted something On Whipping Your Children today.  Also, I see from my comments that people are, indeed, discussing it.  Apparently, I am just not reading in the right places.

 

A Former Trinity Baptist Insider and the 20/20 IFB Story

Bob Bixby has posted a statement from Laura Moody, Formally from Trinity Baptist Church, about her relationship with those involved with the scandal featured in the 20/20 story about abuse in some IFB churches.  Read the comments for more hashing out of details.

Bob Bixby also has a post addressing Brian Fuller’s comments in that episode of 20/20 and his subsequent blog post.  Again, more details are hashed out in the comments.

In an effort to be fair, he links to the Other Side of the Story and discusses the hows and whys of Blaming the Victim.

Under Much Grace reminds us that the 20/20 story “failed to make any mention of the abuses that took place at the IFB’s most infamous boarding house for ‘troubled girls,’ the Hephzibah House of Winona Lake, IN.”

And The Wartburg Watch has a list of suggestions for how churches can better protect the children in their congregations from sexual abuse.

Spanking Infants???

Elizabeth Esther posted about the 20/20 exposé of abuse in some IBF churches and interprets Pastor Brian Fuller’s remarks.  She explains the teaching of first time obedience  and how common the spanking of infants really in these churches. By the way, some of the comments of this blog post seem to have inside information in them.

Also, I want to make it clear that  not all Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches have abusive teachings.  I am a member of an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church which does not.  The pastor often reminds us that salvation is by faith in Jesus and what He did alone and you cannot add anything to that.  He reminds us that saying a prayer or baptism or anything else will not save you, you are saved by believing that what Jesus said and did is true.  They do believe in corporal punishment but I have never heard of anyone there spanking an infant or using an implement.  While they might say that they believe in wifely submission, what I see looks more like mutual submission.   I see no signs of the patriarchal movement, most of the women in that church wear pants.  They also cut and dye their hair and nobody says a word about it.  Women work outside the home and girls are expected to go to college.  On top of that, many in  the congregation uses public schools.  So, I don’t know how extensive the abuse in IFB churches is but I believe that churches need to be considered on a church by church basis.  After all, they are independent.

ABC News Exposes Abuse in some IFB Churches

ABC News Exposes Alleged Abuse in some IFB Churches on this News Video. The Schatz story is mentioned as well as the recent Lori Wick Child Abuse Scandal.  Brian Fuller of Trinity Baptist Church condemns the abuse and insists that not all IFB churches are the same.  I agree with him, as my Independent Fundamental Baptist church is nothing like that either.  The very fact that they are Independent shows that they are not all the same.  But I digress.  This video is a tease for tonight’s episode of 20/20 which aired Friday April 8, 2011

More links:

Document of Abuse

Rebecca Diamond has posted a copy of the Criminal Complaint against Timothy and Andrea Wick (son and daughter-in-law of novelist Lori Wick) in Read It And Weep.

Lori Wick involved in Child Abuse Scandal

Rebecca Diamond exposes the teachings or Lori Wick and her church in Preach Jesus and Carry A Big Stick. In case you hadn’t heard, this best selling Christian Novelist has been funding a church which teaches that babies should be switched as young as 6 weeks old. Her son is among 8 people who are facing child abuse charges in Dane County, Wisconsin.   Also see the article in the Daily Mail.

Does Punishment Really Produce Godly Character?

I just found out about the group known as the Assembly under the ministry of George and Betty Geftakys. I had not heard of them before this, but as they were using the teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl (as well as Fugate and Ezzo,) they are of interest.  Apparently, they are another cultic and spiritually abusive group.   In fact, Betty Geftakys had her own pamphet about child training which almost makes the Pearl’s training methods look mild by comparison.

The post I want to highlight today is from Meg, a former member of that group,  and is entitled, Does Discipline Really Produce Godly Character…?