Two More New Blogs

Here are 2 blogs which I think might be of interest:

Rethinking Vision Forum looks like the place to send anyone who has questions about Vision Forum.  It is all about “Examining the Fallacies of Vision Forum’s ‘Godly’ Family Living.”   Since this blog links to the series to which I used to link in my sidebar, I have replaced that link with this one.

I also just found another blog about escaping from a controlling Christian family, The Eighth And Final Square by QuicksilverQueen. I am seeing a great many of these blogs.  I read these stories with great sadness.  So many parents so sure that they have found the secret of raising perfect children for God.  And then the “perfect” children grow up and leave.  They often consider their childhood a nightmare from which to escape.  They sometimes reject God and Christianity all together, but thankfully, not always.  Many of them (such as this link) are not sure what they believe and are still processing.  It breaks my heart to see that some of them have  become atheists.  I have linked to many such blogs in hopes  that their testimonies may convince parents to avoid the pitfalls into which their parents have fallen.

Understanding Biblical Gender Equality

Hope Abigail Freeman wrote to me saying

…I have written a new book called “Understanding Biblical Gender Equality”, which is free to read online at the website http://www.WalkinTruth.net

It’s brand new, the site just launched recently, and it should be available in paperback soon also. If you take a look you can see, I’m trying to “take back” 3 John 1:4.

I was in a very spiritually abusive relationship, domestic violence situation for 6 years.  As soon as I became a Christian I fell into a hole of abusive patriarchy, and it took years of the Holy Spirit working with me to get out of that hole.  This book is a compilation of what I have learned from the Bible in that process.

The book takes a very conservative methodology of scriptural analysis, and has a heavy emphasis on helping women to recognize abuse, and that God loves them and wants better for them.

Is College Wasted on Girls?

Pfamilygal takes very practical and down to earth look at what the Bible teaches regarding whether or not daughters should be College Bound.

Letter to a family considering ATI

Robin shares her experiences with ATI (Bill Gothard’s teachings) in this Letter She Wrote to a Family Considering ATI.

Christianity Today Reviews Quivering Daughters

Christianity Today reviews Quivering Daughters, the book about the Quiverfull Movement by Hillary McFarland.  This article also shares some other links about the Stay At Home Daughters movement.

Renouncing Patriocentric Teachings

pFamilyGal renounces her belief in patriocentric teachings and explains why in Freeeeedoooom.

Novel About the Quiverful Movement

The Christian Century has an article called, A Quiver Full of Controversy, about Meg Moseley’s recently published novel, “When Sparrows Fall.”

New Book About Patriarchy

Under Much Grace discusses Jon Zens’ New Book, No Will of My Own (How Patriarchy Smothers Female Dignity and Personhood).

Betrothal

Eric M. Pazdziora writes about the Bondage of Betrothal at Quivering Daughters. This is a very good explanation of why the Courtship and Betrothal Movement is not Biblical.

In response, Sister Lisa, at Soul Liberty Faith, writes about Betrothal and the Works of The Flesh in which she discusses how her family approached the concept after leaving legalism behind.

Series on First Time Obedience

Cindy of Under Much Grace has posted part 5 of her series about First Time Obedience: Revisiting First Time Obedience: Finding New Alternatives

For your convenience I will paste here the links to the rest of the series along with her descriptions:

  • A review of the submission required under multigenerational faithfulness as Vision Forum’s carryover from Bill Gothard’s submission teachings with various examples of this demand for unquestioned obedience without credulity. First post specifically examining “First Time Obedience” in young children.
  • A review of the principle of sacerdotalism and parental convenience (as a control issue in dysfunctional families) as rationales for requiring “First Time Obedience” and “leaps of faith” required under multigenerational faithfulness.
  • Review of the tendency to make every banal daily activity one of great eternal spiritual significance as a consequence of works-based salvation. Includes a discussion of viewing personality traits that do not fit the belief system’s paradigm as sinful as well as the building up of all gender related activities as sacramental for the impartation of inward sanctification.
  • Blog host’s personal experience with inherent personality traits treated by parents as sin, the idolatry of seeking parental approval, and the consequences of requiring unquestioned submission with the use of guilt and shame that predisposes one to easy brainwashing and compliance with thought reform. Includes a section from Biderman’s Chart of Coercion addressing the powerful effects of devaluing individuals in religious settings.
  • Discussion of the development of how perfectionism, works-based salvation and First Time Obedience squelch problem-solving skill and prevent the development of critical thinking under the guise of multigenerational faithfulness.

A specific review of the theological problems in Voddie Baucham’s defense of First Time Obedience as well as the refutation of the practice from Scripture. Echos concerns noted in this previous blog post concerning Baucham’s “Family Driven Faith” book.

More Blog Posts About Bill Gothard

A Quiver Full of Information has a bunch of new posts about Bill Gothard. Here are  the ones I find most interesting:

Shadowspring’s testimony:
Bill Gothard has negativley affected my life….
Bill Gothard has negativley affected my life part 2

David Sessions alerts his readers that Rep. Daniel Webster (R-Florida, 8th district) is involved with IBLP in House of Theocons.

More about Webster in this post from Alternet.org, Cultish Christian Leader Teaches Women Should Submit to Husbands — Victims of His “Submission Theology” Speak Out (Not a Christian site. Tagged Mainstream)

The Wartburg Watch looks at Quiverfull Then and Now. This exposé connects “the terrible tragedy that occurred in Colorado in December 2007” with IBLP curriculum.

The Wartberg Watch has some other very interesting exposés:
The Real Reason for the Quiverfull Movement
Doug Phillips-Homeschooling Guru and QF Proponent
Sisterhood of the Stay-at-Home Daughters

Donna’s testimony and excellent exposé: My Stand Against IBLP (Being Real).

 

 

The Secretive World of Bill Gothard

Wilkyjr, who appears to have ties to Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary,  has written an exposé on Bill Gothard’s teachings after a copy of one of his secret text books fell into his hands.

Uncovering More Horrors

As we probe the underbelly of the damage done by the Patriarchy Movement and even Corporeal Punishment in general, eventually we will uncover even more horrors.  I have avoided “going there” for quite some time, preferring to skirt the issue,  as it seemed unnecessary to bring up in polite society.  However, this blog post from Under Much Grace, explains the necessity of broaching the topic and is written with a technical tone rather than a sensational one.

Looking at Bill Gothard

Dulce de Leche has shared some memories of Bill Gothard’s seminars and how his teachings affected her during her formative years in, Peering Underneath the Umbrella: Musings on Gothardism.  This is an exposé as well as a testimony as she gives us an inside look at Gothard’s teachings.

Speaking of Bill Gothard, E. Stephen Burnett has an interesting post at Quivering Daughters called, Bill Gothard and Patriarchy: Re-routed Feminism? which analyzes a quote from Bill Gothard about submission and looks at why so many of Patriarchy’s promoters are women.

Testing the Spirit of Quiverfull

Kristen Rosser has started a series over at NLQ called, Testing the Spirit of Quiverfull. I think this checklist of sorts actually pertains to all Patriarchy teachings. This is good reading for someone who is dabbling with Quiverfull/Patriarchy and thinking that they can separate the “meat from the bones.”  These posts are written specifically for those  “who have chosen to accept the Bible as authoritative for faith and practice. ”

Here are the posts so far:
Testing the Spirit of Quiverfull: Isolation
Testing the Spirit of Quiverfull: Hierarchy & Control
Testing the Spirit of Quiverfull: Perfectionism & Elitism

Speaking Out Against Patriarchy

Here is Rebecca Diamond’s testimony and explanation of what she has against Patriarchy. Note to the easily offended: she does give this post a PG-13 rating.

And here is an exposé of the dark underbelly of the Father and Daughter Retreat offered by Vision forum. This is not for the faint of heart.

A Quiver Full of Information

A Quiver Full of Information offers “The Who, What, Why of the Quiverfull Movement & Lifestyle.”

The intro says:

This site aims to collect information on all aspects of the burgeoning Christian “Quiverfull” movement. The information is presented in neutral environment. The opinions expressed in the documents are those of the author and not of the creator of this site. To navigate click on the page links in the right sidebar. Please note: This is not a site for evangelizing or for flaming either side! This is just to provide links to information on all aspects of the topic.

But her site is not limited to Quiverfull. She even links to my list of Who Is Affiliated with Vision Forum. 🙂 So, it appears that her site is really about the Patriarchy Movement. Anyway, her site is a good resource for anyone wanting more information about anything to do with the Quiverfull Movement.

An Exposé of the Courtship & Betrothal Movements

I tended to think that the Patriarchy Movement and the Quiverfull Movement were pretty much the same thing, but I was wrong. The Quiverfull movement falls under Patriarchy or Patriocentric teachings, but not everyone in those movements is Quiverfull. There is also the Courtship and Betrothal Movements which do allow the limiting children, but are still patricentric and authoritarian.   Here are some Courtship and Betrothal Essays which expose the unbiblical and destructive teachings of Jonathan Lindvall.

Here is the link to the page about Bill Gothard.

One thing all of these things do seem to have in common is an affiliation with Vision Forum.

Disclaimer: I have only scanned these pages and have not read them carefully.  These essays are not only very long, they are also very disturbing.  I am posting them because I feel  sure that they will be be of use to someone either as a warning or to help argue against such teachings.


The Burden of Legalism

Rach at the Incorrigible Gingers posts about the Burdens legalistic teachers are placing on the Believers’ backs.

Speaking of Legalism, there is an interesting article at NLQ about Why the Quiverfull Movement is called Legalistic?

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Scriptural Tofurkey

GreenGem at Dare to Disciple explains what Scriptural Tofurkey is in this very interesting and thought provoking analogy.

Spiritual Abuse

Molly reviews and processes chapters 3 and 4 of The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse; Recognizing and Escaping Spiritual Manipulation and False Spiritual Authority within the Church By Jeff VanVonderan, and David Johnson.

Speaking of spiritual abuse here are the signs of a Toxic Movement again.

Instant Obedience or Compliance

Molly explains the dangers of training children for Instant Obedience or Compliance in this testimony about a young lady and the abuse of authority outside the home.

Biblical Distortion in the Patriarchy Movement

The Incorrigible Gingers exposes some Biblical Distortion of the Patriarchy movement and then links to a Times article about the Stay At Home Daughters Movement.  Sahd.

The Patriarchy Movement sure fits the Signs of a Toxic Movement.

While we’re on the subject of Patriarchy, I would like point out that even the Pearls have concerns about that movement.  Here is a post by Spunky about Patriarchy, the Pearls and the Truth and there is a long excerpt of Michael Pearl’s article about Patriarchy in this post from White Washed Feminists.

Bethany Breaks Free

Bethany Basset, of Coffee Stained Clarity, reflects on the sadness she feels at finding out that her high school friends are following the Pearls’ teachings.

I see that Bethany was raised in the VF/Patriarchy mindset.  She posts her story in 5 parts:

The Preface: The Stuff of Brains
Part 1: The Net
Part 2: The Reality
Part 3: The Hope
Part 4: The Outcome

And she has an epilogue about parenting with grace here.  I love a happy ending.  <3

Testimonies from No Longer Quivering Moms

No Longer Quivering has a new series called Steadfast Daughters in a Quivering World.   Part 4 of this series is Acknowledgment & Apologies which could be considered testimonies of the damage done by the quiverfull mindset.  Part 5: Confessions of a Quiverfull Hero and Part 6: Soul Binding are long testimonies about how raising children in the quiverfull mindset almost destroyed them.  Heartbreaking.

Series about Patriarchy

E. Stephen Burnett has a teaching about the problems with Patriarchy in a 5 part series called, Sins Of The ‘Patriarchs’.  Interesting to me is that with all the words he has written about patriarchy, he never mentions spanking or harsh discipline.  He does mention control, but not the physical aspect (unless I’m misremembering.)  This would make it a good series to share with  pro-spanking people.

He also wrote a book review of Quivering Daughters by Hillary McFarland.

I might as well mention that he also has warnings about Vision Forum on his site.   He is worried about their possible influence on homeschoolers and he shares  that he was homeschooled as a child.  He has a very interesting site and it is well worth checking out.

Series about Vision Forum

Sue Talbert at A Mother’s Heart Blog is writing a very interesting series called Vision Forum, Patriarchy and FLDS, Oh My!

In part 1 she explains how she came to find Vision Forum and read one of their books. She starts describing some objections to their teachings.

In Part 2 she expands on their teachings that women should not go to college or work outside the house (or from the house) and compares that to the FLDS as well as the taliban.

In Part 3 she discusses Bill Gothard and his teachings and how they relate to Vision Forum.

In Part 4 she begins to analyze problems with their teachings. She starts with Clothing / Modesty.

In Part 5 she discusses Reproduction / Quiverfull and the fact that they discourage adoption.

In part 6 she takes a look at their Politics and how they are working to create an Army For God. She also mentions child rearing, perfect obedience of children and wives and the Pearls’ teachings.

In Part 7, She explains Patriarchy and their teachings on Marriage and Wife Only Submission.

In Part 8 she concludes her series by looking at whether the group is Christian or heretical, what draws people to join such a group and her reason for writing the series.

So Much More Than a Maiden Of Virtue

Wondering One is telling her story, I Am So Much More Than A Maiden Of Virtue, over at No Longer Quivering. In Chapter 3 she shares how her parents discovered Michael and Debi Pearl’s book To Train up a Child. If you start at chapter 1 and then read chapter 2 and chapter 3 you will find that it is a very gripping, albeit disturbing, story about punitive parenting from the child’s point of view.

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Dolly Mama

Since yesterday’s post was about Patriocentricity and I have this link which mentions Debi Pearl, I might as well share it.  Dolly Mama writes about some parallels she sees between the FLDS movement and the patriocentric movement in Escape, FLDS, and some parallels.

Count Your Blessings

Rachel has written a post called, Count Your Blessings, in which she reflects back on her patriocentric childhood and her escape from that mindset.