Yesterday, Carissa posted Is Spanking Biblical? Part 1: Proverbs, and today she has posted an addendum: Is Spanking Biblical? Part 1: Proverbs, CONTINUED where she looks closer at the symbolism of the rod in scripture.
Schatz couple to stand trial in November
From the Paradise Post reposted here for permanence
By Elizabeth De AlwisPosted: 06/26/2010 01:00:00 AM PDT
A Paradise couple will stand trial in November for allegedly murdering one adopted child and torturing another during a “biblical chastisement” session.
Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz are charged with an open count of murder for allegedly beating their 7-year-old adopted daughter, Lydia Schatz, to death with a quarter-inch plumbing supply line in February. They are also charged with torture for allegedly beating their 11-year-old adopted daughter in the same manner, causing whip-like marks and internal injuries including kidney damage which required hospitalization.
The couple appeared in court Thursday morning for further arraignment and the setting of their trial date. Both pleaded not guilty to all charges. They have been in custody at the Butte County Jail on $2 million bail each. Last month, they waived their preliminary hearing. The trial is expected to begin Nov. 1 and last for three weeks. Butte County District Attorney Mike Ramsey said having three attorneys – one prosecutor and two defense attorneys – often lengthens a trial. He said it may also take a week just to select a fair and impartial jury. If convicted, both defendants face two life terms in state prison.
Defense attorneys Dennis Latimer of Chico (representing Elizabeth Schatz) and Michael Harvey of Oroville (representing Kevin Schatz) are reportedly continuing their investigation of the case. They have also not ruled out the possibility of trying to move the trial to another county where there has been less publicity.
Ramsey said it appears the couple was influenced by a book found in the Schatz’s home, written by a fundamentalist religious group based in Tennessee, called No Greater Joy Ministries. It was founded by Michael and Debi Pearl. The Pearls and their organization encourage parents to use a “rod,” a quarter-inch plumbing supply line as a “chastisement” tool to train their children to be more obedient.
The Schatzes have six biological children. Both victims were adopted from an African orphanage along with an infant girl about three years ago. Ramsey said he plans to call the Schatz children as prosecution witnesses during the trial.
According to Ramsey, the autopsy result showed that Lydia died due to a rapid breakdown of skeletal muscle due to injuries to her muscle tissue. The scientific name for the cause of death is Rhabdomyolyis. In Lydia’s case, it was reportedly caused by blunt force trauma. The destruction of muscle leads to the release of damaged muscle cells in the bloodstream, which can harm the kidneys and other vital organs. Ramsey explained that the breakdown of the kidneys can cause an increase in potassium, which is associated with cardiac arrhythmia – a change in the rhythm of the heart, leading to cardiac arrest.
According to authorities, Lydia’s death occurred after hours of discipline for reportedly mispronouncing a word during a home school reading lesson. Her 11-year-old sister had reportedly had a similar discipline session the previous day. Police and emergency personnel arrived at the Crestwood Drive home Feb. 6 after the wife called 9-1-1 to report that her 7-year-old daughter had stopped breathing. They found Lydia in full cardiac arrest.
In addition to murder and torture involving great bodily injury, the Schatz’s face a misdemeanor count of child abuse involving their 10-year-old biological son.
The trial readiness conference is scheduled for Oct. 21, followed by the trial assignment hearing on Oct. 28. The trial is scheduled to begin Nov. 1.
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Terry Vau Dell contributed to this report.
Counter Arguments 3
Pearl and his followers are insisting that the Schatzes were not following his teachings. I have been thinking about writing a post which would analyze this, but I think it is best to wait until after the trial for such speculation. Finding an impartial jury will be hard enough. Anyway, I link to plenty of arguments which explain it very well already.
We do need short responses to answer critics in our lives. Here is an example of a counter argument which I just posted in response to Chuck, who left a comment at Awful Library Books saying:
Below is the link to both the District Attorney’s comments and the official statement from No Greater Joy Ministries, Inc regarding the Schatz case which was issued within a couple of days of learning of Lydia Schatz’s death. http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/answers/response-to-schatz-case It is obvious to anyone who cares to examine the facts that it is the rejection of the parenting philosophy espoused by the Pearls and No Greater Joy Ministries, Inc that contributed to this tragedy. Subsequent statements by the District Attorney and media reports continue to point out the fact that what the Schatz’s did was in complete contradiction to what the Pearls and NGJ teach. Those that ignore this reality do so only to perpetuate the lies to sensationalize this tragedy.
Here is my response:
It is not obvious to me at all.
First of all, all the DA did was quote Pearl that one should not cross the line. That line is not defined anywhere in Pearl’s writings.
Secondly, that is not all of the DA’s comments. Here is a longer quote:
Thirdly, how does Pearl know that they were not following his advice? He was not there.
My question is, could the Schatzes have thought they were obeying the Pearls’ teachings? Could they have been calmly chastising her without knowing that they were actually breaking down her tissue?
Michael pearl teaches that his methods work on all children as long as you are 100% consistent. He also teaches that you must spank the child until her defiance turns into a submissive whimper. What if the submissive whimper never comes? Could this kill her? That is the real question.
book seller refuses to sell Pearl’s books
I just ran into the blog of a Christian book seller who has decided on his own not to have anything to do with Pearl’s books. Kudos to him!
I believe that he also wrote the following blog: When Child Discipline Goes Too Far. Bravo!
Edited to add: “Bene Diction Blogs On” has blogged about this:
A curious bookseller and the teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl
Secular Homeschooling Magazine
The homeschooling movement is taking notice of the Pearls. Secular Homeschooling is a rather large magazine and they have written an exposé of the Pearls and their teachings. She looks at all aspects of the Pearls and gives some advice on how to respond when offered the book at a homeschool gathering.
To Train Up a Child: The Greater Problem by Deborah Markus
The Schatz Story part 2
If you are not familiar with the Schatz Story or want more info, please look here.
News Stories
Note: Old news stories which have been removed by their papers can be found here.
New information on alleged beating death of Paradise girl CBS News March 17, 2010
Paradise couple plead not guilty in death of daughter from the ChicoER March 18, 2010
Parents plead not guilty in death of daughter The Oakland Tribune March 19, 2010
Autopsy results back on Lydia Schatz from The Paradise Post March 19, 2010
Investigating: Why’s Behind Child Abuse KHSL’s News Investigation of Child Abuse video on TulipGirl’s Blog
Reactions
Reflecting On “Biblical Chastisement” by Muse Mama
Lydia’s Birthday, Autopsy Released by TulipGirl
Pleading “Not Guilty” to Murder, Torture, Cruelty by TulipGirl
Michael & Debi Pearl, & Questions of Ministry Credentialing by Pastor Jack from New Covenant Living
A Community’s Agony Over the Schatzes by Pastor Matthew Raley from Tritone Life
Love Never Fails blog asks us to consider if Attachment Disorder could have had anything to do with Lydia Schatz’ death.
A warning for Canadian parents from Desperately Seeking Suzin: Pearl’s teachings are against the law.
Earlier reactions here.
In Depth Analysis of Pearl’s Teachings
To Train Up A Child: An Examination of the Pearl Method by Rey Reynoso who had done a great job of digging deep and analyzing the Pearls’ teachings using the Bible to refute them.
Parenting in the Name of God: Introduction from Scita > Scienda Note: This is the 1st in a series.
Lydia The Child The Pearls Laugh At! from Emotional Abuse and Your Faith
Is Michael Pearl Responsible For a Girl’s Death? Matthew Raley, a pastor who uses Tedd Tripp’s teachings in his church, speaks out against Pearl’s teachings.
so does Michael Pearl bear any responsibility for the death of Lydia Schatz? by Thatmom
When Parenting Kills – What Can We Do? By Katiekind
Spanking in Anger isn’t the Problem Water Lilly explains why we can’t just assume that the Schatzs were out of control.
In which I talk about the terrible event I mentioned 2 weeks ago By Paul M, who knows the Schatzs, analyzes the Pearls’ teachings and explains how wrong they are.
Hold ‘em Down, Defeat Totally By TulipGirl, who explains exactly how the Pearls teachings caused this death
No Greater Joy Children Takes a look at everything taught by the No Greater Joy Ministries from the perspective of love, respect, and not hurting our children
The brokenhearted Sinner By Aaron
Pearl Of Too Great a Price Matthew Raley, a pastor who uses Tedd Tripp’s teachings in his church, speaks out against Pearl’s teachings.
The Pearls, abuse and a false gospel From Roscommon Acres
How many children must die before Mike & Debi Pearl are held accountable? By Elizabeth Esther
The World’s Most Dangerous People From Just Another Clay Pot
Senseless Deception By Spunky
Child Discipline or Child Abuse? by Virginia Knowless
child abuse in the name of Jesus by Thatmom
update on the Lydia Schatz case and why it is not about spanking by Thatmom
I write this with a heavy heart by Jennie Hall
No Greater Joy Ministries “Biblical” Parenting Couple Beats Child to Death from Peaceful Parenting
Hermeneutics, Life, and Death by Randy Greenwald, Pastor, Hope Presbyterian Church, Bradenton, Florida.
The Behavior Modification Gospel Matthew Raley, a pastor who uses Tedd Tripp’s teachings in his church, speaks out against Pearl’s teachings.
A Time To Weep . . . for Lydia Schatz and Sean Paddock from A Time To Laugh
Debra has a lot of very good, thought provoking posts about the Pearls’ teachings at Debra’s Random Thoughts. See especially:
Rebekah Pearl Part One–Her Childhood
Rebekah Pearl’s Young Adult Years
Rebekah Pearl Anast Part Three-Life After Marriage
Whose Heart Failure? from Now… Through a Glass Darkly. Also see its followup
Stand With an Open Heart–What Frog and Toad Can Teach Us about What Lydia Schatz Might Have Said
ThatMom asks us to consider the question, are they true or false teachers?
“Pearls” of Wisdom? by Woman Uncensored includes numerous quotes from NGJ site
More arguments can be found here.
Reactions to the Schatz Tragedy
March 3, 2010 – Responses to Pearl’s Laughter:
A Response To Michael Pearl by Muse Mama
Michael Pearl laughs at his critics, no apolgies for dead children from Barbara @ Mommy Life blog who also asks us to look at Cult characteristics and the Pearls
The Pearls: Sadly, it has come to this… from The Cappuccino Life
Pearl Laughing All the Way to the Bank from Sweeping the Cobwebs
michael pearl’s response by Thatmom Note: there are some very interesting comments in this one
I do not want to write this post from It’s Complicated
In response to the Defense of Pearl:
In defense of the Pearls…some thoughts from Roscommon Acres A response to a blog defending Pearl
First Reactions:
Heartbroken. Angry. Again. By TulipGirl
This made me cry today… By Rebecca
Beauty for Ashes: in which I discuss the unthinkable Laurie M., who is a friend of the Schatz family, describes her heartbreak from what happened to her dear Lydia and her horror at discovering the Pearls’ teachings.
Speaking Out
Bring Back the Boycott! By Muse Mama
Fighting The Pearl’s Teachings By Muse Mama
I Would Be Remiss… By Clara
Box Bashing by Karen Ehman
Parenting in the Name of God from Scita Scienda
To brainwash a parent From WORLDmag.com
Time to Speak Up, Even if it’s Hard from HomeSpun Life
On the death of Lydia Schatz, 8 from Happy As Kings
I am burning all books by the Pearls… and i encourage you to, too! by Sparrow’s Nest Academy
Tragedy in a homeschooling family by Rob Shearer, Director of the Francis Schaeffer Study Center
Why do you spank your child? by Miss Roxie
Cause of death from I Must Follow If I can…
And odd thankful Thursday from The Upward Call
Lydia Schatz from Joyful Breath
More Christians Speaking out against the Pearls’ Teachings By Katiekind
Tragic Death of Lydia Schatz From Rutledge6
Michael and Debi Pearls teaching linked to another child abuse death from Bene Diction Blogs On
Even a Child Can Recognize Injustice from Wanna Walk Along? Things your grandmother should have told you.
Michael and Debi Pearl – sample wisdom by Barbara @ Mommy Life
Hmmm…My Two Cents on “No Greater Joy.” From A Very Nearly Tea. Concerns about the Pearls’ teachings from someone who has mixed feelings about them.

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