Video About Growing Up Under Gothard’s and Pearl’s Teachings

Kristiana Minor is interviewed by Chris Shelton in the long but very worthwhile video, Growing Up Quiverfull – The Duggar’s Destructive Cult.

Because this video is over an hour long, I will provide an outline with times so you can skip to the parts you wish to watch. You can also read Kristiana’s story by clicking on her name above.

0:00 – Introduction, in which Chris Shelton introduces the concept of this dangerous cult, which he compares to Scientology. He tells us a little about Bill Gothard and the Duggars.

4:34 – Kristiana Minor is introduced and she explains what the quiverfull movement is.

7:16 – Kristiana recounts how her family slowly got involved with the quiverfull movement and patriarchy through Gothard’s teachings after they started homeschooling. She tells about ATI conferences and mentions that the Duggars were involved.

13:11 – She starts talking about the controlling environment of being raised quiverfull and how children are protected from outside influences.

23:17 – She is asked to discuss the abusive environment, which brings her to introduce the Pearls. Disclaimer, this footage of the Pearls’ teaching is very disturbing. I discussed this video in detail here.

25:57 – She explains blanket training and a quote from the Duggars is shown on crawl by which talks about how Michelle used blanket training. (I discussed whether or not the Duggars were quiverfull and if they promoted the Pearl’s teachings here.) Kristiana explains how blanket training at a young age sets the stage for all mental manipulation which follows.

28:33 – She wraps up the abuse section explaining that this control does not end when they grow up because Jesus was 33 and continued to follow His father’s commands. This is apparently what she was told growing up. It goes without saying that this reasoning does not hold water, since Jesus was obeying God’s commandments and He is equal with God and cannot sin. So, of course He followed God’s commandments. She then explains that they know no other discipline than to continue hitting until they break the child’s will and prove that they are bigger and stronger than the child. She seems to recall that quote coming from Michael Pearl. (She is close, the correct quote is, “…prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing.”)

28:55 – An excerpt from a redacted police report regarding a Duggar child is shown on the screen to prove that the Duggar children are spanked with a rod. After this, Kristiana discusses how the physical abuse ties in with forcing a belief system upon them.  She responds that it makes you fear to question or rebel.

30:21 – They discuss her position in the family, and how as the oldest she was the second mother to all the children. This leads discussing to her relationship with her siblings.

33:38 – She is asked if there are any other points she would like to make about her upbringing and the influence of Quiverfull/Gothard/Pearl on her life.

34:49 – She is asked how often they attended the Gothard conferences.

36:39 – She tells us all about how she managed to escape. This is quite a long story which starts with her parents being believers in education, even for women.  She tells about how she gets married and how she got involved with RecoveringGrace.org.

https://youtu.be/9WQy4LGUQRg

Pearl’s Reaction To the Duggar Debacle

Pearl’s reaction to the problems the Duggars have faced fits his M.O. perfectly. He continues to give the same advice that the Duggars were already following and insists that it works, in spite of it not working for them. I don’t doubt that in his mind, the fact that it didn’t work is proof that they did not follow it correctly.  It appears that he cannot or will not consider the possibility that his methods don’t work.

More Reactions to the Duggar Situation

There is SO much being written about the Duggars. In an effort to please everyone, I decided to stop posting everything I saw on this blog’s Facebook Page and start posting it on my Facebook Account’s wall.  This way, those who want to see everything I share in real time can friend me and those who rather just see my blog posts can just follow my page.

So, here are the links I have shared since my last blog post.

Crystal Lutton explains What we, the Church, can learn from Josh Duggar.

Brent Detwiler takes an in depth look at the whole catastophe in The “Incredible” Duggar’s – “Happy, Healthy and Well Balanced.”

Susan Cottrell looks at The Dangers of Life in a Male-Dominated System on Pathos.

Allie Jones discovers what I noted when the story first broke: Police Report Reveals the Duggar Discipline Method: “They Have a Rod.”

Jonny Scaramanga reveals that Had Josh Duggar been prosecuted, Duggars would have lost the right to home school.

Joel J. Miller has an article in the Washington Post called, Jesus is quick to forgive, but Josh Duggar’s apology is still disturbing.

Travis Gettys writes about the Duggar mindset, as explained by Vyckie Garrison in Raw Story.

A Voice For The Victims

Victimhood is a very personal thing. Many survivors of abuse are finding their voices and are making a valient effort to speak for these victims.

Some are saying that it increases the pain of the victims and that we should stop.

Others are saying that we must speak out in order to give a voice to the victims.
Josh Duggar and Words as Magic by Rebecca Diamond
What Does The Josh Duggar Dialogue Say To Assault Victims? by Stephanie Tait
It’s Not Just The Duggars by Dana of Lemon Lime Adventures
Nice girls don’t talk about stuff like this by Rebecca Diamond *Trigger Warning*

I don’t want to add to the girls’ pain but nor do I want this swept under the rug. Since there are 5 victims, some might feel one way and some might feel the other.  Also, since the information is already out, that cannot be fixed.  The only thing left to do it to work towards healing.

My main goal in posting is to expose the paradigm behind all of this in hopes of preventing situations like this in the future.  My hope is that those who are considering getting into Gothard/ATI/Patriocentric  teachings will see the danger and run away.  I also hope that those who are friendly with such families will be much  more observant.

Here is an in depth explanation of How Fundamentalism’s Teachings on Sexuality Create Predatory Behavior from Diary of an Autodidact.

Jason Harris looks at 10 things every person should be able to affirm in the face of the Duggar family tragedy.

Barefoot Betsy responds to my first link.

Hope For Healing Duggars

I have been feeling very sad about the Duggar situation, so I am comforted to read this encouraging post by Trudy Metzger. Yes, the situation is grim, but there is still hope for healing. Yes, it’s true that she probably doesn’t really understand the patriarchy mindset involved in this story, but she does know about abuse and she does know the Allmighty Power of Jesus.

Edited to add: Tracy has a follow up post which adds to and clarifies her last post given new information she has learned.

Reactions to the Duggar Scandal

My last post was about the tragic news story of Josh Duggar and his abuse of young girls. How should the Church react to something like this? Here are some thoughts on that as well as reactions and analysis.

Barefoot Betsy shares her reactions and opinions. A short quote to whet your appetite:

I believe that the Christian community needs to soundly condemn the adult Duggars’ response as well as the molestations themselves. This kind of chicanery should not be tolerated in the name of Christ. Yes, forgive, but don’t forget. There is no excuse for the adults sweeping this kind of incident under the rug. For years and years.

Russell Moore, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, explains what the church’s response to abuse should be.  I encourage you to read the whole article.  Here is a small quote:

We should also make clear to the whole congregation the steps we are taking to make sure that children and the vulnerable are safe in our churches from sexual abuse. Tell the congregation why you have background checks, why safeguards for parent pick-up in nursery or Sunday school are in place, and so forth. Moreover, tell the congregation what the leaders will do when there is an allegation of sexual abuse. Make it clear that sexual abusers will not be enabled in your church, and victims will not be blamed or shamed.

Also, Elizabeth Esther has a picture of an ATI counseling worksheet on her Facebook page. She says,

As many of you may know, the Duggars used teachings by Bill Gothard and ATI. Someone just sent me this ATI worksheet that was used for “counseling” victims of sexual abuse. Note the question “Why did God let it happen?” and the subsequent answers which blame the victim for “defrauding” the perpetrator (defrauding is fundy-speak for seducing/tempting a man) through “immodest dress, indecent exposure, being out of the protection of our parents and being with evil friends.” So, it’s the VICTIM’S fault for being sexually abused. Obviously this kind of “counseling” is egregiously WRONG (not to mention unprofessional) and, in fact, causes MORE damage by re-traumatizing the victim. Since the Duggar family used and promoted ATI materials, it’s conceivable that worksheets like these were used in the counseling (although, of course, I don’t know that for sure). Regardless, this kind of “counseling” material serves as an important insight into the kind of environment in which the abuse happened.

There is much more information about ATI style counseling in this article by Libby Anne.

The Duggars – The Facade Crummbles

It is with great sadness of heart that I discover that my concerns about the Duggar family were well founded.  In fact, it’s worse than I ever even imagined.  I always knew that they spanked their children, even though many gentle parents insisted that they did not.  I knew that they were involved with ATI (Bill Gothard) which was enough to tell me that they are neither gentle nor healthy.  Well, I finally found proof that they use the rod to punish their children on page 29 of the *Sensitive* police report regarding Josh Duggar.

I found the police report in this article on In Touch Weekly.

People Magazine has posted Josh’s confession.

Libby Anne has a good recap and analysis here.

I’m sure I’ll be adding more articles to this post, as I also post them through my Facebook Page.

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