TodayMoms discusses the Pearls’ Teachings

I heard a couple of weeks ago that Michael Pearl was scheduled to be on the Today Show.  Well, I don’t know if this is related to that or not, but MSNBC’s Today Moms Blog is discussing his teachings in Controversy grows over pro-spanking book after abuse deaths.

Update:  Michael Pearl was on NBC’s Today Show on the morning of Dec 28, 2011.

More about Elizabeth Esther and Michael Pearl

Elizabeth Esther continues to share about her visit on the Anderson Show with Sitting on the couch with Michael Pearl. In this post she shares one clip from the show and shares the rest in the previous post.  We are still hoping to find a video of the entire show which has not yet run in Los Angeles.  I heard that will run in the Los Angeles area Monday, Dec 5 at 4pm on Fox 11, which begs the question, when will the Monday episode run?

 

 

Elizabeth Esther Shares About Pearl

Elizabeth Esther shares about her experience taping Anderson Cooper’s New Daytime Talk Show with Michael Pearl in My thoughts on @Anderson show airing tomorrow: speaking imperfectly is better than remaining silent #NoMoreDeadKids.

She also gives an important reminder:

The show airs on network television (not cable! not CNN!) tomorrow. To check local listings, go here and find out when it’s on in YOUR area.

updated: if you’re in Southern California, the show has been bumped to air on Monday due to Pac-12 coverage. But clips from the show will be available online at www.andersoncooper.com . Since I have to wait until Monday to watch the whole thing, I’ll be relying on all of you to email me/FB/tweet me your feedback. :)

More Mainstream Mentions of Pearl

Kristin Butler at Crosswalk.com looks at The Pearls and the Schatz tragedy in Disciplined to Death.

A St. Louis Law Firm appears to be seeking families who wish to sue Michael for “negligence of a producer of consumer products.”

And on a side note, The Hippie Housewife has posted part 3 of her three-part series on the “rod verses.”

Where Did Pearl Say This?

In this interview in the National Post, Pearl is quoted as saying:

But, I have said many times, when a spanking is not working, stop doing it. There are times when children become so emotionally torn that they have ceased all cognitive activity. Spanking is then counterproductive.

Frankly, I don’t recall him every saying that.  If he has published this sentiment, I would like to know where because this quote needs much exposure.  His followers need to be aware that he says this because this could really make a difference in the life of some children and maybe even save a life.  Although, it is still rather vague, it is a step in the right direction.

Edited to add:  Apparently Pearl was referring to this article where he said

You should not spank beyond your fellowship with the child. If you feel that your spanking is excessive, it is because it is not working. If it is not working to produce happy, creative kids, then you are missing one of the other elements we discussed. You have probably forgotten how to relax and enjoy your children. Or perhaps you have failed to train. The bottom line is that if other things are equal, and you give a child a spanking every time he needs it, the time will soon come when he will not need to be spanked so often, and eventually not at all.

More doublespeak.  In the next breath he accuses them of failing to train properly and promises that if you are consistent things will get better.  He have seen him accuse people of deliberately misunderstanding his meaning, but I really feel that he is vague and expecting people to make mental leaps which not all people are able to make.

Also, if anyone knows where he got these statistics which he quotes, I’d be interested.  Was it from the research study or somewhere else?

Research has shown that the properly trained, nurtured and spanked child scores higher on all positive measures both as a child and as an adult. Spanking as part — a small part — of a comprehensive nurturing process instills self control and disciplined in a child, rendering him more emotionally stable and balanced as an adult. Every child was spanked up until Dr. Spock. Now only about 75% are spanked with no malice aforethought, and another 20% are occasionally spanked or hit by angry out of control parents that profess not to believe in it…

In his interview on AC360 Mr. Pearl mentioned the same research on spanking and Anderson Cooper delves deeper into that in another segment.  Before linking I want to warn you that it opens with the very upsetting video of Judge William Adams beating his daughter.  After that it recaps prior interviews with Michael Pearl and then moves on to Dr. Drew Pinsky and Po Bronson talking to Anderson Cooper about the science behind physically disciplining children. In The Science of Spanking, Anderson Cooper asks Dr. Drew Pinsky and Po Bronson what they think of the Pearl method and it should come as no surprise that they did not find it healthy in any way, shape or form.

The only problem with this interview is that they make a big point of discussing how spanking in anger is even more damaging.  This will probably cause Pearl and most of his followers to argue that spanking without anger will cause no damage at all.  They are so very wrong.  But then of course, Pearl and his followers tend to discount science except for when it supports their beliefs so it’s probably a moot point.

Christianity Today Looks at TTUAC

Rachel Stone of Christianity Today takes a close look at To Train Up A Child  in When Child Discipline Becomes Abuse.  I notice that she linked to my blog which I much appreciate.  She obviously read TTUAC with a critical eye and really “gets it.”

Professors and Scholars Speak Out Against Pearl

Megan Graham  of  The Daily Illini (Independent Student Newspaper of the University of Illinois) looks at To Train Up A Child and its influence as well as the issue of Free Speech in Parenting book missing childlike innocence.

Prof. William Webb (Author of the new book Corporal Punishment In The Bible) explains that The Pearls’ Teaching is “Gutter Theology.”

You might also be interested in these reviews of the above mentioned book.

The Death Of Lydia Schatz on Wikipedia

I just found the Wikipedia article on the Death of Lydia Schatz. It seems to be factual.  Interestingly, they link to this site.  Only, they don’t link to any one post, but to page two of my blog.  That doesn’t seem helpful at all, it must be an error.  They also have an entry for Michael Pearl which mentions both Lydia Schatz and Sean Paddock.  Interesting.

Edited to add:  Libby Anne fixed the error as you can see in her comment below.  🙂

Christianity Today Reviews Quivering Daughters

Christianity Today reviews Quivering Daughters, the book about the Quiverfull Movement by Hillary McFarland.  This article also shares some other links about the Stay At Home Daughters movement.

ABC News Exposes Abuse in some IFB Churches

ABC News Exposes Alleged Abuse in some IFB Churches on this News Video. The Schatz story is mentioned as well as the recent Lori Wick Child Abuse Scandal.  Brian Fuller of Trinity Baptist Church condemns the abuse and insists that not all IFB churches are the same.  I agree with him, as my Independent Fundamental Baptist church is nothing like that either.  The very fact that they are Independent shows that they are not all the same.  But I digress.  This video is a tease for tonight’s episode of 20/20 which aired Friday April 8, 2011

More links:

Kidney Damage and The Pearl Method

Cindy, of Under Much Grace, explains exactly what Rhabdomyolosis is in, How Do We Track Kidney Failure and Kidney Damage in Children Who Are Trained Using the Pearl Method? She explains that kidney damage is permanent and wonders how many children are living with a chronic yet undiagnosed condition in this important and informative post.

Also, don’t miss this internet radio show about the same topic.

 

Meanwhile, the Schatz trial has been scheduled and both the Chico Enterprise Record and the Paradise Post are running the following story which I will paste here for permanence.

By RYAN OLSON – Staff Writer
Posted: 03/31/2011 12:00:00 AM PDT

OROVILLE — After a couple of postponements, a trial is ready to proceed in the case of a Paradise couple charged with allegedly whipping their adopted daughter to death and torturing another.

Attorneys representing Elizabeth and Kevin Schatz told Butte County Superior Court Judge Kristen Lucena they were ready to begin the trial on April 11.

The trial was initially set to begin in November, but was delayed so attorneys could review thousands of pages of evidence.

A second date for February was set aside in favor the April 11 date.

During Wednesday’s trial readiness conference, Lucena determined the trial would take place in her courtroom.

The prosecution alleges Elizabeth and Kevin Schatz used a length of quarter-inch plumber’s supply line to beat adopted daughters Lydia Schatz, 7, and Zariah Schatz, then 11, during separate “Biblical chastisements” on Feb. 4 and 5, 2010.

Lydia Schatz was taken to Feather River Hospital after the mother reported to 9-1-1 that she had stopped breathing. Zariah Schatz arrived at a Sacramento hospital in critical condition with whip-like marks before recovering.

The Schatzes have pleaded not guilty to charges of murder, torture involving great bodily injury and misdemeanor child abuse. If convicted, each could face a maximum sentence of two life terms in prison.

Before the trial date, there will be an April 8 hearing for motions that should be considered before a jury is selected.

At that time, the defense will
have an opportunity to respond to Butte County District Attorney Mike Ramsey’s recent request to include hearsay evidence based on out-of-court statements from Zariah Schatz.

While Zariah Schatz will be called to testify, Ramsey said outside of court that she had also spoken to police and medical personnel after her sister’s death.

Staff writer Ryan Olson can be reached at 896-7763 or rolson@chicoer.com.

THE CASE: On Feb. 4 and 5, 2010, Elizabeth and Kevin Schatz of Paradise allegedly used a whip-like instrument to discipline two adopted daughters in separate incidents. The 7-year-old daughter stopped breathing and subsequently died from her injuries. The 11-year-old daughter suffered serious injuries but recovered.

THE CHARGES: Both parents face counts of murder, torture involving great bodily injury and misdemeanor child abuse.

More Blog Posts About Bill Gothard

A Quiver Full of Information has a bunch of new posts about Bill Gothard. Here are  the ones I find most interesting:

Shadowspring’s testimony:
Bill Gothard has negativley affected my life….
Bill Gothard has negativley affected my life part 2

David Sessions alerts his readers that Rep. Daniel Webster (R-Florida, 8th district) is involved with IBLP in House of Theocons.

More about Webster in this post from Alternet.org, Cultish Christian Leader Teaches Women Should Submit to Husbands — Victims of His “Submission Theology” Speak Out (Not a Christian site. Tagged Mainstream)

The Wartburg Watch looks at Quiverfull Then and Now. This exposé connects “the terrible tragedy that occurred in Colorado in December 2007” with IBLP curriculum.

The Wartberg Watch has some other very interesting exposés:
The Real Reason for the Quiverfull Movement
Doug Phillips-Homeschooling Guru and QF Proponent
Sisterhood of the Stay-at-Home Daughters

Donna’s testimony and excellent exposé: My Stand Against IBLP (Being Real).

 

 

Review of “Yell and Tell”

The Christian Post has a review of Debi Pearl’s Yell and Tell series.  This is a positive review but unlike most I’ve seen, they don’t promote her other books nor link to their website.   I wonder if they are aware of the controversy around them.

For another opinion on the series, see TulipGirl’s review. Hers is the 3rd on the page at this time.

Schatz Trial Delayed

According to the Oroville Mercury Register, the Schatz Trial has been delayed until April 11, 2011.  I will include the text here for permance.

Alleged ‘chastisement’ trial delayed

Staff Reports
Posted: 02/18/2011 10:43:39 PM PST


OROVILLE — Attorneys again asked a judge Thursday to postpone the trial of a Paradise couple for allegedly whipping their 7-year-old adopted daughter to death.

Elizabeth Schatz, 44, and her husband, Kevin, 47, had been scheduled to go to trial Feb. 28. The woman’s attorney, Kevin Sears, said an April 11 trial will work best for attorneys and witnesses.

Deputy district attorney Kelly Maloy, sitting in for District Attorney Mike Ramsey, affirmed the continuance was a joint request.

Judge Kristen Lucena granted the motion.

The Schatzes are charged with murder, torture involving great bodily injury and misdemeanor child abuse involving one of their six biological children.

The charges carry up to two life terms in prison. The couple pleaded not guilty in June. They remain in custody at the Butte County Jail with $2 million bail apiece.

The couple allegedly caused the death of their 7-year-old adopted daughter and serious injuries to her 11-year-old sister during separate “Biblical chastisements” with a whip-like instrument a year ago at the family home.

The Schatzes are charged with murder, torture involving great bodily injury and misdemeanor child abuse involving one of their six biological children.

The charges carry up to two life terms in prison. The couple pleaded not guilty in June. They remain in custody at the Butte County Jail with $2 million bail apiece.

Biblical Distortion in the Patriarchy Movement

The Incorrigible Gingers exposes some Biblical Distortion of the Patriarchy movement and then links to a Times article about the Stay At Home Daughters Movement.  Sahd.

The Patriarchy Movement sure fits the Signs of a Toxic Movement.

While we’re on the subject of Patriarchy, I would like point out that even the Pearls have concerns about that movement.  Here is a post by Spunky about Patriarchy, the Pearls and the Truth and there is a long excerpt of Michael Pearl’s article about Patriarchy in this post from White Washed Feminists.

The Schatz Abuse Story and the Paradise Post

As 2010 winds to a close, I am reflecting on the changes to this website.  I moved to this blog in March during the thick of the Schatz story.  Over the months I found more and more time passing between posts and started filling that time with posts about other controlling groups such as the Patriarchy Movement as well as helpful posts about Gentle Discipline.  I am very thankful to God for how He has been using this blog.  I wish my readers many blessings in 2011.

And now, The Paradise Post has released its Top 10 news stories of 2010 and the Schatz Abuse Story was number one.   I  post an excerpt from their story here for permanence:

Schatz, Smith lead top 10 news

Posted: 12/30/2010 01:00:00 AM PST

Once again the Post staff voted on the Top 10 stories of the Year. This year, the top story is the Schatz family abuse case.

1. Parents arrested in child abuse case

The ugliness of humanity reared its head in Paradise this year when two local parents allegedly beat their adopted daughter to death for mispronouncing a word.

Lydia Schatz, 7, died in February and her parents, Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz, are accused of killing her by using controversial disciplinary methods outlined in a religious training book, “To Train Up A Child,” by Michael and Debi Pearl, founders of the No Greater Joy Ministry.

In the aforementioned book, the Pearls recommend using a rubber quarter-inch plumbing supply line for disciplining a child. Elizabeth called emergency crews on Feb. 6 to report that Lydia was not breathing.

A storm prevented the girl from being airlifted to the hospital by the LifeFlight helicopter. Lydia was being rushed by ambulance to Chico Municipal Airport, but died en route. The autopsy of Lydia shows that the girl died of Rhabdomyolysis, a rapid breakdown of skeletal muscle due to injury to muscle tissue.

Lydia’s 11-year-old sister was also discovered with injuries and sustained kidney failure. She was not originally expected to survive, but made a full recovery after treatment at Sutter Memorial Hospital.

The Schatzes have six biological children and adopted Lydia, the 11-year-old, and a 3 month-old from the Republic of Libera in Africa.

Police said all the children made statements affirming being disciplined by rubber tubing found in the Schatz home.

The parents were charged with murder and torture, each facing life in prison. Kevin and Elizabeth retained separate lawyers and pled not guilty to the crimes.

The case has not been resolved. The Schatzes are scheduled to appear in court on Feb. 28, 2011 for a jury trial.

Tanja Cilia from Times of Malta

I found a blog entry in The Times of Malta by Tanja Cilia.  I am linking to it because it contains a mention of the Pearls and their teaching in what appears to be a mainstream newspaper site.  This means that now the good folks of Malta have been warned about the Pearls teachings. This blog entry starts out talking about other things and then segues into a discussion of the Duggars, the Quiverfull Movement, and on to Child Training, Proverbs and the like. She also mentions a little about child rearing in Malta.

Don’t Train Your Child to Be a Train Wreck

Mary Thatcher reacts to a story (to which I linked on Oct 13, 2010)  in Don’t Train Your Child to Be a Train Wreck.  Her argument against the Pearls’ teachings was posted in the Health and Wellness section of AssociatedContent.com from Yahoo.  These warnings are getting into the mainstream more and more often.

Schatz Trial Delayed

The Chico ER reports that Elizabeth and Kevin Schatz were in court yesterday, Oct 21, 2010, for a pre-trial hearing. The trial has been delayed until Feb 28, 2011. I am including the article here for permanence.

Trial delayed in alleged torture death of daughter

By KATY SWEENY – Staff Writer

Posted: 10/22/2010 12:00:00 AM PDT

OROVILLE — A judge Thursday continued a trial against a Paradise couple for the alleged murder and torture of their adopted child, so attorneys can read the more than 6,000 pages of evidence, with more coming.

Butte County Superior Court Judge Kristen Lucena vacated the November trial date and set it for Feb. 28 in the case against Elizabeth Schatz, 43, and her husband, Kevin, 47.

The pair allegedly caused the death of their 7-year-old adopted daughter and serious injuries to her 11-year-old sister during separate “biblical chastisements” with a whip-like instrument in February at the family home.

Elizabeth Schatz’s attorney, Dennis Latimer, asked Lucena to continue the trial so the lawyers can read through the large amount of evidence and obtain and review what is still expected.

The husband’s attorney, Michael Harvey, joined in the motion to continue.

Deputy district attorney Kelly Maloy, sitting in for District Attorney Mike Ramsey, who is prosecuting the case, said they had no objection.

The Schatzes are charged with murder, torture involving great bodily injury and misdemeanor child abuse involving one of their six biological children.

The charges carry up to two life terms in prison. The couple pleaded not guilty in June.

Ramsey alleges the ridge couple were influenced by a book found in their home written by a fundamentalist Christian group based in Tennessee, supporting the use of a quarter-inch rubberized or plastic “plumber supply

line” to “train” children to be more obedient to their parents and God.

Prosecution also alleges that Lydia Schatz, 7, one of three children the couple had adopted from an orphanage in Africa three years before, died from a breakdown of muscle tissue following a lengthy discipline session in the parents’ bedroom after mispronouncing a word during a home school reading lesson.

After the child stopped breathing Feb. 5 and the mother dialed 9-1-1, Butte County Sheriff’s deputies arrested the parents.

The girl’s 11-year-old sister also allegedly sustained “whip-like” marks to her back, legs and buttocks during a similar parental chastisement the previous day. She was hospitalized with kidney failure but lived.

Elizabeth and Kevin Schatz will return to court Feb. 17 for a trial readiness conference. They remain in custody at the Butte County Jail with bail set at $2 million apiece.

Staff writer Katy Sweeny can be reached at 896-7760 or ksweeny@chicoer.com.

KRCR Channel 7 has also posted about this.

Schatz Trial – No update

Notable Trials has a update on the Schatz Trial to summarize the case and say that there is no real update.

Abusive by Definition

I found this secular blog entry which I found interesting.  It links to the Salon Article about the Pearls, discusses it a bit and then goes on to look further at the Blogger’s own observations of how the Pearl’s advice is abusive by definition.  She compares it to the well known Cycle of Abuse seen in marriages.

Preparing To Be A Help Meet

I find it odd that Yahoo News has a good review of Debi Pearl’s newest book, Preparing To Be A Help Meet.

You may comment on that article there as well as on the Topix site.

Yahoo did not allow me to submit my comment, probably because it was a link to this site.  My concerns about this new book are based on my concerns about the original book Created To Be His Help Meet.  I have links to many book reviews of that book which explain the dangerous teachings in that book.


Edited to add:  As of Dec 23, 2010 those link are no longer valid.  Just as well.  😉

Awful Library Books

The Awful Library Books blog would like to see  To Train Up A Child removed from all libraries.  So far, nobody in the comments section has approved of the book, but some feel that it should be just removed from the Parenting section and put somewhere else where those who need it for research can access it.  I agree.  We cannot argue against something without having access to it and we do not want to purchase it.

Anyway, I suggest you check your own public library and direct them to this post.  Suggest that they remove this dangerous book from the parenting section to a research section or remove it from circulation.

Notable Trials

Notable Trials has a post about the Schatz case:
Child’s death could mean life terms for ‘disciplinarian’ couple in Butte

A Challenge

I generally do not link to non-Christian arguments for the reason that they are rarely of any use to us. They will rarely convince a Christian and I have yet to see a non-Christian which needs convincing.

I am linking to the article below because what I see here is a challenge to Christians to speak out against this teaching. We have been doing just that and I am saddened to see that she has been forced to close her article to comments. I can only image what kind of response she received to cause her to take such a drastic step within 24 hours. I am hoping that she will find this site, as well as TulipGirl’s list of those who are speaking out and the follow up here.

I am also linking to this because I do track mentions of this issue in the Mainstream media.

Child Death by a Thousand Cuts in California by Jean Mercer of Psychology Today

This has also been posted at ChildMyths.