Former Pearl follower Becky, from Created To Be His, shares a letter she wrote explaining her concerns with the Pearls and their teachings. In this letter she also explains what these teachings have to do with the death of Lydia Schatz and includes quotes from the book.
Schatz Story #1 in the Paradise Post for 2011
The Paradise Post has released their top 10 news stories for 2011 and at the top of the list is the story about the Schatz couple pleading guilty. They mention that they case has remained in the news since.
Pearl has garnered a lot of interest this past year, being on Anderson Cooper (on both CNN and Fox) as well as NBC’s Today Show. It is my hope and prayer that as he gains notoriety, more and more people will see the dangers in his teachings and will avoid them. I also pray that those who continue to see good in his teachings will be more careful not to take them to a dangerous extreme.
I wish you and yours many blessings in the New Year. <3
Responses to Pearl on Anderson
I have yet to watch Michael Pearl and Elizabeth Esther on Anderson other than a few clips. I hope to someday find it online in its entirely at which time I will certainly link. By the way, it will be airing in the Los Angeles Area on FOX 11 at 1pm. Meanwhile, here are some responses from the Blogosphere.
Hannah of Emotional Abuse And Your Faith asks, Do we understand insensitivity?
Cindy of Under Much Grace answers the question, What is Biblical Chastisement?
as well as, Why is the Pearl Method So Insidious and Dangerous?
MamaPsalmist reacts in No More Dead Kids and its followup, And Another Thing.
An Interview with Elizabeth Esther
BlogHer Network Interviews Elizabeth Esther about her appearance with Michael Pearl on Anderson Cooper’s daytime Talk Show today (Monday for Los Angeles Viewers).
See a promo here.
Many bloggers are promoting this episode:
Elizabeth Esther Faces Michael Pearl On Anderson by Free By His Grace
The abusive teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl hurt both women and children by Rachel Held Evens.
Keeping Up with Michael Pearl: Interview on Anderson (Cooper’s) Talk Show TODAY (and Pearl’s appearance on Dr. Drew And AC360 and in the NYT….) by Under Much Grace. (I am grateful for her kind words about this site).
Also, Under Much Grace shares about another Anderson 360 episode from CNN which aired on October 25 which I seem to have missed. Anyway, the transcript she shares has things in it I had not seen, namely an update about the Willams.
Here is CNN’s Anderson Cooper’s Interview with Michael Pearl (Part II: August 2011)
and here is Michael Pearl’s Interview with Dr. Drew on CNN October 2011 both by Under Much Grace
Speaking of Under Much Grace, she has posted an index to her Why Good People Make Dangerous Choices (Pondering Michael Pearl and Lydia Schatz) series.
Hana and The Pearls in The Seattle Times
Jeff Hodson of the Seattle Times provides extensive coverage of the death of Hana Alemu “Williams” as well as the Pearls’ teachings in Did Hana’s parents ‘train’ her to death? I am grateful for the link to this site. Letters to the editor regarding that article are here.
Also, there is new story about Koko aka Lydia Schatz in All Voices.
AC360 Continues to look at Ungodly Discipline
On Friday Nov 25, Anderson Cooper continued his look at Ungodly Discipline. Here is the video and here is the transcript.
Also, here is more about Spanking in Christian Schools aired on Dec 1, 2011.
More Mainstream Mentions of Pearl
Kristin Butler at Crosswalk.com looks at The Pearls and the Schatz tragedy in Disciplined to Death.
A St. Louis Law Firm appears to be seeking families who wish to sue Michael for “negligence of a producer of consumer products.”
And on a side note, The Hippie Housewife has posted part 3 of her three-part series on the “rod verses.”
The National Post Article on The Pearls
Samuel Martin has sent out the following request asking us to check out and respond to this article in the National Post. He gives a different link to the same story, but my link has photos and lives links.
Dear friends,
Best wishes from Jerusalem.
I would like to ask all of my friends, especially those in Canada, to visit the link in the following article:
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/pastor+striking+advice/5700731/story.html
- read it and then write to the article author -
- if you agree that we need to give additional attention and information about the Biblical arguements against corporal punishment.
Her excellent article gives a great deal of attention to Mr. Pearl and his views. I think it appropriate that the same attention be given to alternate views based upon high levels of scholarship held by Christians like Prof. William Webb, Prof. Dawn Devries, Emeritus Prof. I. Howard Marshall, Dr. Randall Heskett and myself as well as Jewish scholars like Rabbi Lawrence Kelemen, Rabbi Shlomo Wolbe (of blessed memory)), Rabbi Moses Feinstein (of blessed memory) or others in addition to what was mentioned in the article.
If you agree with that, I would appreciate it if you’d drop the author a message.
Thanks so much.
Samuel Martin
P O Box 21543
Jerusalem 91214 Israel
Website: www.biblechild.com
Email: info@biblechild.com
Discussing Pearl on “The View” and NY Times Story Spawns
ABC News has a story called Child’s Death Raises Questions About Biblical Disciplinary Teachings which includes testimony of someone who was raised under Pearls’ teachings and how it affected her under a video of the discussion of Pearls’ teachings on the View.
The NY Times story has spawned many blog posts and articles. Most of them are just brief summaries so I will not bother to link, but a number of them are worth a look.
Amy Graff of the San Francisco Chronicle posts Godly spanking turned deadly: Is a Tennessee pastor to blame?
Lorraine Dusky posts on the First Mother forum, Adopted children killed by their parents as they “train” them .
Gwen Dewar, Ph.D. of Baby Center posts Deadly abuse inspired by preacher’s “training” manual?
Koa Beck of Mommyish posts Parents Demand Abusive Childrearing Book Be Pulled From Amazon.
Allison Summers of The Christian Post posts Texas Judge ‘Beating Video,’ Child Rearing Book Spur Debate on Discipline Versus Child Abuse
and to balance it out they also published Evangelical Preacher Defends Child Training Methods Reportedly Linked to Deaths by Luiza Oleszczuk.
Margaret Hartman of Jezebel posts Pastor Still Advocates Using ‘The Rod’ After Third Child Dies
C.L. Dyck of Scita Scienda gives her Thoughts on the New York Times and Mike Pearl.
David Usborne of the New Zealand Herald posts Focus on preacher after children die.
There is an interesting discussion on the NY Times article in the Snopes.com forum. (If linking to this thread in anyway violates any forum rules, please message me at hermanalinda@whynottrainachild.com)
Tony W. Cartledge of Baptist Today News Journal posts Spare the hose?
The Week.com summarizes the debate using many of the previous links in To Train Up A Child: The book that’s leading parents to kill?
Yep, the news is really going mainstream and people are talking about it, which makes for some Intense Conversations as Leslie in Costa Rica discovered and posted about on her blog, Real Child Development.
New York Times on The Pearls
Erik Eckholm of The New York Times has written a well researched and carefully balanced article about the Pearls called Preaching Virtue of Spanking, Even as Deaths Fuel Debate. Unfortunately, in his effort to be balanced, he really didn’t warn against the Pearls’ teachings at all. The comments are many and one of them links to my site, for which I am grateful.
Christianity Today Looks at TTUAC
Rachel Stone of Christianity Today takes a close look at To Train Up A Child in When Child Discipline Becomes Abuse. I notice that she linked to my blog which I much appreciate. She obviously read TTUAC with a critical eye and really “gets it.”
A Closer Look At TTUAC and How It Relates To The Deaths of 3 Children
More bloggers are analyzing the connections between the Pearls’ book, To Train Up A Child and the deaths of 3 children who were being raised by the methods therein.
Free By His Grace tells the story of Hana “Williams” in heart wrenching detail and warns against the teachings of TTUAC in Hana Williams: “Rebellion” or Reaction to Abuse?
QuicksilverQueen has started a detailed Book Review of To Train Up A Child and how it relates to the deaths. In this review she freely shares how being raised by these teachings affected her and what she was really feeling when her parents thought that she was joyously submissive.
Sadie Stein, writing for Jezebel, reports briefly on the Pearls and the deaths linked to their teachings in Another Child “Chastised” To Death.
Kathy Cassel of Cassel Crew explains her concerns with To Train Up A Child in (How Not) To Train Up a Child. Note that she does believe in spanking but more as a last resort than as a first and/or only tool.
The Disturbing World of The Pearls in which she looks at Doublespeak and Definitions as well as some examples of his abusive teachings.
and The Disturbing World of The Pearls Part 2 in which she takes a look at their heretical Theology.
TTUAC linked to Hana Williams’ Death
Fox News has connected the dots and has implicated the book, To Train Up A Child in it’s coverage of Hana Grace’s Death in its article, Book advocating extreme discipline may be connected to deaths of adopted children.
I would like to correct one mistake in the article, Michael Pearl is not Amish.
Now to take on this quote:
In the book, Pearl explains how to use a plumbing tool to switch children starting at age one. Pearl advocates giving cold water baths when potty training, putting children outside in cold weather and having them miss meals, all examples of abuse investigators said Hana endured.
They don’t mention that parents are instructed to use a smaller and lighter switch on children under the age of one.(see question 9)
Now, someone is bound to insist that the rest of this quote is a lie. Here are quotes from the book, To Train Up A Child which you can read online at www.achristianhome.org/to_train_up_a_child.htm.
So, my suggestion was that the father explain to the boy that, now that he was a man, he would no longer be washed in the house. He was too big and too stinky to be cleaned by the babywipes. From now on, he would be washed outside with a garden hose. The child was not to be blamed. This was to be understood as just a progressive change in methods. The next dump, the father took him out and merrily, and might I say, carelessly, washed him off. What with the autumn chill and the cold well water, I don’t remember if it took a second washing or not, but, a week later, the father told me his son was now taking himself to the pot. The child weighed the alternatives and opted to change his lifestyle. Since then, several others have been the recipients of my meddling, and it usually takes no more than three cheerful washings.
Now, there are some flavors or textures that we just have an aversion for. Allow each child one or two dislikes, just don’t let their preferences be too limited. If a child doesn’t like what is on the table, let him do without until the next meal. A little fasting is good training. If you get a child who is particularly finicky and only eats a limited diet, then feed him mainly what he doesn’t like until he likes it.
I have said before that the Williams took these teachings way further than Pearl ever intended with their adopted children. Notice that Pearl said that washing the child outside 3 times should be enough. The Williams made it into a lifestyle. Also, I have never seen Pearl mention making the child stand outside without proper clothing as a punishment. However, they did follow the teachings correctly with their biological children. If the investigations mentioned in this article should show that the biological children were being abused, this will have serious implications for the Pearls’ teachings.
The Williams are due back in court on Oct 6.
The “Ministry” of The Pearls
Marianna Klebanov, has an article in the San Mateo Parenting Examiner about The “Ministry” of Michael and Debi Pearl.
Cybersattva on Pearl Laughing
Cybersattva responds to Michael Pearl’s comments on Facebook (from March 2010) in Stepping Outside of TTUAC.
An Email From NGJ
Patrick Morgan, who writes the Cybersattva Blog, wrote an email to No Greater Joy Ministries about his concerns with To Train Up A Child. He received a reply from the Assistant General Manager which he posts along with his commentary. Note that he adds commentary in the comments.
New Zealand Considers Censoring TTUAC
The New Zealand Internal Affairs Department’s Censorship Compliance Unit has confirmed that it is investigating To Train Up A Child by Michael and Debi Pearl after a complaint was made according to an article on Stuff called, ‘Violent’ child training book off to censor. The article says that it has already been removed from Whitcoulls‘ online store but that other leading book sites are still selling it and that, “Censorship Compliance Unit manager Stephen OBrien said the book’s content would be investigated and, if it was found to be objectionable, it could be either banned, restricted or referred to the human rights or childrens commissioners. ”
Channel 3 News covers the story in Child abuse ‘instruction manual’ could be banned.
Update: Whitcoulls’ is still selling the Spanish Version of the book. *doh*
Here is a closer look at the debate regarding the possible banning.
Responses to the CNN Story
Elizabeth Esther follows up on the CNN coverage of the Pearls’ teachings by explaining how these teachings lead to the sickness of Cognitive Dissonance which is what “happens when a teacher, pastor or person in authority advocates abusive methods while simultaneously recusing themselves from the actual, direct results of that abuse.”
She also reminds us that Even God Does Not Break Our Wills.
Wanna Walk Along says that There are No Pearls of Wisdom in the Pearls’ Book on Child Rearing.
Libby Anne explains exactly why she blames the Pearls’ teachings and illustrates it with her own testimony of how these teachings almost killed her brother in Michael Pearl on CNN. Check out the quotes from TTUAC from in the comments.
Created To Be His shared similar thoughts in CNN Investigates Pearls.
Abigail, from Reflections from Beit-Shalom, posts her warning For all the Living Lydias and Seans & Their Parents…
The Schatz Story Going Mainstream
Brad Hirschfield posts in The Washington Post about the Schatz story and To Train Up A Child in a piece called, Beating children in the name of God. He exhorts us Christians, saying:
Tragically, this is going on, it must be stopped, and it is precisely those of us for whom the Bible is a sacred and life-centering text that must take the lead in stopping it.
As is always the case, it is those closest to a tradition that should bear the greatest responsibility for it when it is being abused. We cannot simply distance ourselves from “those crazy people”, because “those crazy people” are using the same books we hold dear to commit atrocities, so who better than those who turn to (some of) the same books, to take on the responsibility of addressing the abuses committed in their name?
Amen
Jo Ashline of The Orange County Register also reports on the Pearls’ teachings and the recent controversy in Couple Claims God Wants us to Beat our Children.
I would like to respond to this quote:
During the CNN interview, Mr. and Mrs. Pearl also maintain their innocence in the beating death of Lydia and assure viewers that their training method does not promote anger or abuse, but rather a calm, methodical and effective method of spanking a child into submission.
What the Pearls and their followers fail to understand is that Lydia refused to or was unable to submit and they calmly and methodically spanked her for 7 hours until her tissues broke down. You know how hitting meat makes it tender, right? Well, if living flesh is hit long enough, even calmly and methodically, it gets tenderized. The tissues break down and tiny particles of muscle tissue block the kidneys causing rhabdomyolosis. Please check that link for a more detailed explanation from Under Much Grace. Rhabdomyolosis was the official cause of her death, by the way.
By the way, I have updated my Quotes from TTUAC page with some quotes from the NGJ website because the quotes were so disturbing to me that I thought they needed to be shared. It is taking a lot of self control to keep myself from ranting and raving about the quotes, so I’m just going to let the quotes speak for themselves.
Transcript of Pearl on CNN including Cut Scenes
Under Much Grace features not only the CNN video about the Pearls but a link to the transcript on the CNN site. As the transcript contains some cut scenes, she highlights those in her post. For anyone who wants to read just the part of the transcript which contains the Pearl/Schatz story, use CTRL F (on a Windows computer) to search the page for the word, “Paradise.”
Elizabeth Esther also posted about the CNN video and got many interesting comments.
Former Pearl Follower, Becky from Created To Be His, also shared the videos and explained why she does not believe that the Schatzes lost control.
CNN Exposes the Pearls’ Teachings
CNN has done an exposeé on the Pearls’ teachings and has implicated them in the death of Lydia Schatz. This series features a close look at the Lydia Schatz case,an interview with Michael and Debi Pearl as well as an interview with D.A. Mike Ramsey who says that he blames the Pearl’s teachings for Lydia’s death.
Here is Part 1.
Here is Part 2.
Here is Part 3
You can find transcripts here including cut scenes.
They did not really explain why the Pearls’ teachings are implicated because they did not explain what these teachings are. This goes far beyond a simple spanking debate. I link to many articles which explain this and have been meaning to put it all together in one post. I thought I had done it here, but upon taking another look at it, I see that I was waiting until after the trial to flesh it out. I’ll put that on my to do list. Meanwhile, please look at my categories for The Pearls’ Teachings above and the sub categories, especially Counter Arguments. If you have time, check out posts which dig deeper into the Pearls’ teachings with in depth analysis. I hope that you will also find my tags helpful for narrowing down the information you seek.
Note, here are some quotes from To Train Up A Child by Michael Pearl, the book which started the controversy.
My first collection of news stories.
More news stories and reactions..
CBS did an investigative report about the Schatz and other child abuse stories.
And then a Plea Deal Reached in Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz Murder Case.
They were sentenced to prison.
All mentions of the Schatz story can be found under my Schatz tag.
New Site: “No Greater Joy?”
beatenwithplumbingline has just started a new blog called, No Greater Joy? The first, and so far only, post shows how the Pearls’ teachings violate Matthew 18:2-6. This post also states the purpose of the new blog which is.
…to warn parents, pastors, and law enforcement of the dangerous and abusive parenting methods of Michael and Debi Pearl, as presented by their webside “No Greater Joy” and espoused in their book To Train Up a Child.
Another purpose of this website is to preserve the memory of the children who have died at the hands of parents who abused them using Michael and Debi Pearl’s methods.
The blog contains 2 links, one to a news article about the Schatz story and the other to a news article about the death of Hana Grace-Rose Williams. What does her death have to do with the Pearls’ teachings? Probably nothing, but it remains to be seen. I have heard murmurings on the internet that her parents were Pearl followers, but it is all officially hearsay at this point.
Here is another article about Hana Grace-Rose Williams which includes a News Video from KomoNews.com and here is an article from Fox News which mentions that the family homeschooled all their children.
The Death Of Lydia Schatz on Wikipedia
I just found the Wikipedia article on the Death of Lydia Schatz. It seems to be factual. Interestingly, they link to this site. Only, they don’t link to any one post, but to page two of my blog. That doesn’t seem helpful at all, it must be an error. They also have an entry for Michael Pearl which mentions both Lydia Schatz and Sean Paddock. Interesting.
Edited to add: Libby Anne fixed the error as you can see in her comment below.
Review of No Greater Joy Child-Training Doctrine
Scita>Scienda has finally released their eBook, Parenting In The Name of God. Click on the link to see the table of contents and for a link to download the FREE pdf file. Donations to defray the costs are gladly accepted.
TTUAC and Child Abuse
Robin of Heart of Wisdom has a nice synopsis of the Dangers of the Pearls’ teachings in Pearl’s To Train Up A Child And Child Abuse. This is a good post for sharing as it contains the Action News Report as well as quotes from TTUAC and a lot of links for further study.
Pearl Theology
Scita Scienda has a new post about her take on the Schatz tragedy and the spanking controversy in Notes on a Child’s Death.
Zariah Schatz Speaks in Court
Here is a follow up about the Schatzes prison sentence from the Paradise Post. Note the quotes from Lydia’s older sister, Zariah, as well from as Elizabeth Schatz who apparently realized too late that they were on a “foolish path.” Entire article quoted here for permanence.
Paradise couple gets prison for fatal beating
Father gets two life termsPosted: 06/10/2011 12:06:11 PM PDTA Paradise couple convicted of whipping an adopted daughter to death and injuring two other children was sentenced Friday to upper terms in state prison.Butte County Superior Court Judge Kristen Lucena sentenced Kevin Paul Schatz, 48, to serve at least 22 years of two life terms for second-degree murder and torture. Elizabeth Hazel Schatz, 44, was sentenced to serve 13 years, four months for voluntary manslaughter and infliction of unlawful corporal punishment.
Both Schatzes were also sentenced to six months in county jail for misdemeanor cruelty to a child. They were credited for time served.
Addressing the defendants, Lucena said their punishment for whipping their children for hours with a thin, 15-inch length of plumbing supply line was inappropriate. “No civilized society would tolerate that,” Lucena said.
The sentences were largely known in advance because of a plea bargain April 8. The couple had faced charges of first-degree murder and torture and two possible life sentences. Before the sentence was handed down a surviving adopted daughter, 12, addressed the court. With a soft-spoken voice that was often punctuated with tearful sobs, she said her 7-year-old sister, Lydia, meant the world to her and Lydia’s death really hurt.
“Why did you adopt her? To kill her?” the daughter asked.
The Schatzes were arrested after they called 9-1-1 after Lydia had stopped breathing on Feb. 6, 2010. A follow-up investigation by Paradise Police to the Schatz
residence found the other daughter in the house, limping.As part of a punishment for reportedly mispronouncing words, both girls had been whipped for hours by Kevin Schatz with the supply line. Elizabeth Schatz reportedly assisted. Lydia was whipped for about seven hours on Feb. 5, while her sister was punished for similar period the night before. A 10-year-old biological son was also injured.
The repeated whipping caused a breakdown in muscle tissue that severely damaged the girls’ organs.
Lydia was taken to the hospital but later perished from her injuries. The other daughter was hospitalized for similar injuries, but eventually recovered. The older daughter said she would ultimately forgive the Shatzes, but was confused by the actions and condemned their use of corporal punishment.
“I don’t know what I did to deserve what you did to me,” she said.
As the daughter made her statement, the Schatzes sat facing forward, not looking at the girl. They did sometimes bow their heads and wiped their faces. Earlier in the hearing, Elizabeth Schatz asked for the daughter’s forgiveness. She said Feb. 6, 2010, was the saddest day of her life because their actions killed a daughter, severely injured another and tore their family apart. She said she wished that they had paused to consider the repercussions of their actions.
“We surely would’ve deviated from the foolish path we ended up taking,” Elizabeth Schatz said.
Kevin Schatz apologized for what happened.
“I accept full responsibility for the injury and death of my two daughters,” he said.
Michael Harvey, Kevin Schatz’s attorney, said most people know it’s inappropriate to shake a baby, but few had heard of the medical condition that could be caused by the Schatz’s disciplinary method.
“This is a tragic case. It’s an example of trying to do the right thing in a wrong way,” Harvey said.
Kevin Sears, Elizabeth Schatz’s attorney, said the case was a tragedy and didn’t dispute the death or injury. However, he asserted the probation report wasn’t wholly accurate. In particular, he said the hours of whipping were interrupted with periods of prayer and reflection.
District Attorney Mike Ramsey said the Schatzes have often characterized their actions as inappropriate discipline, which he said showed a lack of insight. While acknowledging the death and injuries weren’t intentional, he said their actions, including the whippings and other punishments, were over the top.
“This was beating. This was torture. This was inhuman,” he said.
Kevin Schatz is ineligible for good conduct credits due to the murder conviction, meaning he will serve 22 years before being considered for parole. He was given credit for 310 days served in county jail. Elizabeth Schatz was credited for 387 days of jail time served and could earn an additional 670 days’ credit in prison.
Schatz’ sentenced to prison
From the Paradise Post quoted here for permanence.
Schatz’ sentenced to prison
Father gets to life termsPosted: 06/10/2011 12:06:11 PM PDTThe Paradise couple who were arrested February 2010 in the beating death of one child and severe beating of another, were sentenced to prison this morning.Kevin Schatz was sentenced to two life terms for second-degree murder and torture and will have to serve at 22 years. Elizabeth Schatz was sentenced to 13 years, four months for voluntary manslaughter and infliction of unlawful corporal punishment. They each were given six months in county jail for misdemeanor cruelty to a child but were credited for time served.
The prison terms were part of the plea bargain with prosecutors. Before pleading guilty to amended charges on April 8, the Schatzes were charged with first-degree murder and torture and had faced two life terms in prison.
The charges stem from the Feb. 4 and 5, 2010 whippings of adopted daughters Lydia Schatz, 7, and her then 11-year-old sister. A biological son was also injured. The Schatzes were using a method of discipline that involved whipping the children for hours with a 15-inch length of plumber’s supply line.
Lydia died of her injuries. The older girl required hospitalization but recovered.
In April 2007, the Schatz’ adopted three children from Liberia. At the time of that adoption, the Schatz had six biological children.
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