Kansas Spanking Bill Dies In Committee

The Kansas bill which would allow spanking in schools as well as allowing parents to swat children up to 10 times and leave bruising without legal repercussions has died in committee.  Here are 2 stories about that:

Spanking bill dies in Kansas House committee from the Wichita Eagle

Kansas Makes Us Proud! Backward Bill Expanding Spanking Rights in Schools Dies in Committee from Take Part

Kansas Bill Would Allow Spanking in Schools

Fox News reports that in Kansas there is a bill proposing allowing spanking in schools.   Supporters claim that it would help children learn to respect authority.  This bill would allow parents, and those to whom they give permission, to leave redness and bruising.

The Wichita Eagle has more information about the spanking bill.  Apparently they are trying to define the difference between corporal punishment and abuse and protect parents from legal retribution when they hit a child under those guidelines.  This is generating a lot of controversy, I will keep my eyes on it.

Stopspanking.org analyses this issue here and reports that the bill is considered highly unlikely to pass.

Child Abuse in Germany

Jennifer Stahl has been explaining about child abuse going on in German churches on her Blog, Yeshua Hineni. In this post she writes about the Pearl’s book To Train Up A Child which, while not being sold, is available “under the table.”  She Translates and transcribes a video about the concerns one woman has for her brother’s children being raised by this method.

I would also like to mention that Jennifer has been reporting on a very serious abuse case called, The Twelve Tribes in Germany. She has put a lot of work into this, tirelessly translating and transcribing from German, for the English speaking world to read.

Here is what she has so far:  part 1part 2 part 3part 4part 5part 6, part 7part 8part 9,part 10,  part 11part 12, part 13part 14 and part 15.

 

To Condition Up A Child?

Michael Pearl says that his teachings are Biblical.  Lee Woofenden does not agree and he explains why in his post, To Train Up A Child, or: Spare the Rod? What Rod?  This is a long article and worth the read.  He points out, among other things, that Mr. Pearl is actually teaching parents to condition their children which is not Biblical.

How Could They?

Under Much Grace looks at how parents find themselves falling into abusive teachings in A Film that Helps Us Understand Why Pearl Becomes Appealing: How do parents get caught up in extreme practices?

Also of interest, she reflects on the Williams Trial in Homeschooling, Hana Williams and the “Rod of Man.”

 

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Presbyterian Church Denounces Spanking

According to an article on ABC News 10 in Pitsburgh, “The nation’s largest Presbyterian denomination says it’s wrong to spank children.”

More details in the Pittsburg Post Gazette:

One of the most contested issues of the early afternoon was a recommendation that corporal punishment — including mild spanking — not be practiced in homes, schools or institutions.

Some commissioners said the church was overreaching by implying that those who spank their children are bad Presbyterians.

Advocates for the winning side said that children are the only people in the United States against whom violence is acceptable.

The anti-corporal punishment recommendation passed 334-306.

Naturally, there is a lot of controversy about this new resolution which is covered in this video from ABC News 33 40 Alabama.

Disassociating Corporal and Eternal Punishment

Samuel Martin looks at Corporal and Eternal Punishment in 3 parts:

Corporal and Eternal Punishment: Time to disconnect these two ideas once and for all – Part One
Corporal and Eternal Punishment: Time to disconnect these two ideas once and for all – Part Two
Corporal and Eternal Punishment: Time to disconnect these two ideas once and for all – Part Three

K-12 News Network Speaks Out Against Harsh Discipline

The Spanking Controversy has been in the public eye quite often lately.  More and more often, it focuses on the religious aspect.  For example, Cynthia from K-12 News Network expresses concerns about Corporal Punishment in “Tiger Moms” Now Usurped by “Wolf Dads”.  Of course, this piece mainly focuses on cultural attitudes towards spanking, but she does discuss the Schatz Tragedy and the Christian Spanking Controversy so I thought that it would be of interest to  my readers.

CNN Story on Christian Talk Radio

Jeri, the Owner of Gentle Christian Mothers, just sent me an interesting link.  This is a Talk Radio Show about the CNN coverage of the Schatz Story from Aug 18, 2011.  The half hour show is called, Issues Etc. and the host is Told Wilken.  After playing the audio of the CNN show, he accepts calls and emails from his listeners to discuss the question, “Is Spanking Required in the Bible?”.  His conclusion seems to be that it is not mandated but neither it is prohibited.   The key to him is discipline.

And in the latest news about the Pearls, they just released a new book.  I see that Amazon is not at all concerned about the Petition.

Christianity Today Article On Corporal Punishment Now Online

The Christianity Today Article I mentioned earlier has been posted to their website: Thou Shalt Not Abuse.

Christianity Today Article on Corporal Punishment

Christianity Today Magazine has an article about Corporal Punishment in their January 2012 Issue which you might want to purchase.  When and if they post it online, I will post a link to it.  This article mentions Hana Alemu “Williams”,  Lydia Schatz and Sean Paddock and the influence of To Train Up A Child by Michael and Debi Pearl.  It then goes on to discuss the spanking controversy and Professor William Webb’s book, Corporal Punishment In The Bible.

There is a discussion of the article on the Gentle Christian Mothers forum which contains a small quote.

Update:  It has been posted here.

The National Post Article on The Pearls

Samuel Martin has sent out the following request asking us to check out and respond to this article in the National Post.  He gives a different link to the same story, but my link has photos and lives links.

Dear friends,

Best wishes from Jerusalem.

I would like to ask all of my friends, especially those in Canada, to visit the link in the following article:

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/pastor+striking+advice/5700731/story.html

- read it and then write to the article author -

sboesveld@nationalpost.com

- if you agree that we need to give additional attention and information about the Biblical arguements against corporal punishment.

Her excellent article gives a great deal of attention to Mr. Pearl and his views. I think it appropriate that the same attention be given to alternate views based upon high levels of scholarship held by Christians like Prof. William Webb, Prof. Dawn Devries, Emeritus Prof. I. Howard Marshall, Dr. Randall Heskett and myself as well as Jewish scholars like Rabbi Lawrence Kelemen, Rabbi Shlomo Wolbe (of blessed memory)), Rabbi Moses Feinstein (of blessed memory) or others in addition to what was mentioned in the article.

If you agree with that, I would appreciate it if you’d drop the author a message.

Thanks so much.

Samuel Martin

P O Box 21543

Jerusalem 91214 Israel

Website: www.biblechild.com

Email: info@biblechild.com

Blog: www.samuelmartin.blogspot.com

New York Times on The Pearls

Erik Eckholm of The New York Times has written a well researched and carefully balanced article about the Pearls called Preaching Virtue of Spanking, Even as Deaths Fuel Debate.  Unfortunately, in his effort to be balanced, he really didn’t warn against the Pearls’ teachings at all. The comments are many and one of them links to my site, for which I am grateful.

Christianity Today Reviews Corporal Punishment In The Bible

Christianity Today Reviews Corporal Punishment In The Bible by New Testament scholar William Webb. This book is of interest because while the author concludes that the Bible teaches harsh corporeal punishment, he also concludes that we are no longer to apply such harsh teachings.

Also, Aubry Grace reviews the same book on her blog, My Offerings. She writes about how this book has freed her to give up spanking and she is now looking for alternatives. It gives me great pleasure to direct her to my posts on Gentle Parenting.

Corporal Punishment in the Bible

Samuel Martin responds to Prof. Thomas R. Schreiner’s review of Prof. William Webb’s book, Corporal Punishment in the Bible: A Redemptive-Movement Hermeneutic.

Note:  Samuel Martin is the author of Thy Rod and Thy Staff They Comfort Me: Christians and the Spanking Controversy.  You can read an excerpt from his book here.

Here are more responses to Prof. Thomas R. Schreiner’s review by both Prof. William Webb (The Author) and Rachel Stone (blogger).

The “Ministry” of The Pearls

has an article in the  San Mateo Parenting Examiner about The “Ministry” of Michael and Debi Pearl.

Spiritual Spanking

Clinton Verley at Midly Insightful takes a closer look at the sermon by Pastor Roger Voegtlin which was featured  in the CNN segment on the Pearls.

An Email From NGJ

Patrick Morgan, who writes the  Cybersattva Blog, wrote an email to No Greater Joy Ministries about his concerns with To Train Up A Child.  He received a reply from the Assistant General Manager which he posts along with his commentary. Note that he adds commentary in the comments.

More Investigation from CNN

CNN continues its investigative report of abuse among fundamental Christians and how it relates to the Pearls’ teachings.  Jocelyn Zichterman, who was raised in this culture and started Freedomfromabuse.net, explains the concept of Breaking The Will and how spankings must continue until the child submits even if it takes several hours. This video seems to cut suddenly, I’m wondering if this series will continue.

There is No Fear in Love: Why Spanking Doesn’t Work

When I was ten until I was twelve years old, I attended a small non-denominational Christian school in which spanking was permitted. Although such practice is almost unheard of now, even among private schools, it was fairly common a few decades ago. Of course, like most Christians who spank, the rationale for using a paddle as a disciplinary tool was because “the Bible said so.” As has been noted here several times, the “rod” verses are time and again misinterpreted, as is so much in the Bible these days.

My personal experiences with spanking were absolutely terrifying. Every teacher had the power to spank, and the offenses that called for spanking were at the discretion of the teacher. Since none of my peers knew what could provoke a spanking, we went to school in constant fear. The one instance that stands out most for me was being spanked for a dubious reason.

It was gym class, and one rule that was established at the beginning of the year was that students could not wear jewelry for the duration of the class. One day, I was wearing a new digital watch that my mother had given me for my birthday. After we lined up Coach Baker yelled at me, “I thought I told you no jewelry.” I responded, very sincerely, that I didn’t know watches were jewelry. Immediately, my gym teacher, in a fit of rage, his voice raised several decibels higher, screamed, “Don’t you dare talk back to me.” And that was my first experience with spanking. I remember being confused, hurt, and humiliated, and I can say without hesitation that I have never felt like that before or since. But I didn’t learn anything, except that, apparently watches count as jewelry.

Having had a first-hand experience with spanking, I can say with a measure of authority that spanking does not produce results, neither short nor long-term. After leaving that school, I personally left the church, and refused to attend throughout my school years. Why? I felt that if a school like that could condone and embrace abuse, then I did not want to have any part of the religion or God associated with it. It wasn’t until I was much older that I realized that God is not about punishment, abuse, and humiliation. God is, in short, love.

But there are many children from Christian households who get spanked, and I don’t doubt for a second that a majority of these children will grow up to either forsake religion, or they will become adults who are angry, scared, or both. After all, as the joke goes, the quickest way for a Catholic to leave the religion is to send him to a Catholic school. I can’t tell you  how many of my friends, having equated Christianity with hate and intolerance, stopped believing merely because their instructors in religious practice were angry people concerned only with physically and psychologically subduing those younger and weaker than them.

In the final analysis, then, spanking isn’t just bad for the child. We know that already. But it is bad for the future of our religion. Our Christian inheritance is distinguished from other religions in that it was the first belief system with its radical message of unconditional love. So for those who constantly cite the Old Testament rod verses, consider this, from the book of John:

“There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, ‘I love God,’ and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother” –I John 4:18-21.

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Another Letter To A Pastor About Spanking

Dulce de Leche shares a letter someone wrote to her pastor about her experiences with spanking and why she does not believe it should be preached from the pulpit.  She shares her testimony of what it was like to be spanked and how it effected her.  She also looks at the blurred distinction between spanking and abuse.  This letter may be triggering so it is not for the faint of heart.

On a similar note is this post on The Journey about The Sexual Effects of Spanking.