Elrena Evans looks at Crying It Out from a Christian Point of View in Christianity Today. This is not a new article, but I just found it. It is a response to an article in Psychology Today called, Dangers of Crying It Out by Darcia Narvaez, Ph.D.
Kathryn Joyce has an article about young adults who were homeschooled by controlling, fundamentalist parents called, The Homeschool Apostates.
Cindy Kunsman shares about how she came to realize that she was involved in an abusive church in, When your Religious Leader Falls Off the Pedestal.
Michael Pearl says that his teachings are Biblical. Lee Woofenden does not agree and he explains why in his post, To Train Up A Child, or: Spare the Rod? What Rod? This is a long article and worth the read. He points out, among other things, that Mr. Pearl is actually teaching parents to condition their children which is not Biblical.
A reporter from the BBC is working on a story about the Pearls for publication on the BBC website. He is doing a lot of research and would like to talk with someone who was raised by the Pearls’ methods. If you are interested in taking part in this, please send me (firstname.lastname@example.org) your contact info and I’ll pass it on to him.
Thank you for your help, everyone. The interview is over. If I hear of another opportunity, I will be sure to post. :-)
Peter Bradrick, once very close to Doug Phillips, has broken his silence. While we still have more questions than answers, this development is very much of interest to those who are following the Vision Forum saga.
Doug Phillips: “Disowns” Former Vision Forum Executive Assistant to President, Peter Bradrick, Calls Him “Destroyer” When Confronted about Sins from Spiritual Sounding Board. In this post we are told who Peter Bradrick is and that he has started posting some very interesting posts on Facebook publically. Read the comments for interesting discussion.
Another interesting Facebook post from Peter Bradrick is this one in which he quotes Doug Phillips talking about how real men on the Titanic gave their lives for the women and children and then adds his commentary.
“For one thousand years, this principle has guided Western civilization. Simply stated, that principle is this: the groom dies for the bride, the strong suffer for the weak, and the highest expression of love is to give one’s life for another. The men aboard the Titanic recognized their duty because they had been raised in a culture that implicitly embraced such notions. Only by returning to these foundations can we ever hope to live in a society in which men will make the self-conscious decision to die so that women and children may live. This is the true legacy of the Titanic.” Douglas Phillips
When those who champion “women and children first” hide behind smooth words instead of “suffering for the weak”… When the strong take advantage of the weak, and then turn them out like so much garbage… When the strong seize the lifeboats and leave the weak drowning in the icy water… it leaves no choice for men of God other than to rise up and oppose them when they discover the truth. Woe to those that do not.
There are some interesting responses to that post. Some in favor:
Bob Renaud: This is why we did what we did brother. We were not going to sit by and allow the weak to be victimized. I still believe in this doctrine even if my mentor and friend rejected it.
Yesterday at 5:09pm via mobile · Like · 39
Some are opposed:
Jeff Brower: This is so sad. There is obviously much I do not know and perhaps a lot I do not need to know. Matthew 18 require this be taken up by the church and if the offender completely rejects the call for repentance he is to be treated as an outsider. It seems that is what is being done here. We are led to understand the public confessions and repentance are fraudulent. I fail to see how prosecuting this on Facebook will strengthen the weak or restore the offender and fellowship. If brothers are so grievously offended gather the men and camp on his porch, crying out to the Lord until their is restoration. I fear this serves only to give Satan a victory. My heart is broken as are all my children looking in.
22 hours ago via mobile · Like · 7
Jordan Niednagel: At this point I believe these posts are only adding to the confusion, and may not be the best way of going about this. We have a man who has publicly repented, and admitted his wrong, which indeed the board of Vision Forum has also concurred (according to my understanding, and I have some other ties). Unless your posts take a drastic turn in nature, we can only conclude that you believe them all to be in error, and that Mr. Phillips has not sufficiently repented. I hope I’m wrong. At any rate, I question the wisdom of what you are doing here on Facebook in this manner, though believe me I am not here to defend VF’s or Mr. Phillip’s innocence. Far from it. But, to drag this out as you are doing … I don’t see the wisdom in it. Since you have decided to go public on this public platform, I suggest you address these issues in your next post. If the board of VF needs to be publicly called out, do so. If not, much more needs to be explained, and I think as soon as possible. Anyway, praying for you all and for wisdom.
20 hours ago · Edited · Like · 14
Chris Jeub has been distancing himself from Vision Forum since 2004 because of their legalism, but still has many friends who are involved. He now takes a look at the situation in Revisiting Vision Forum.
Stay tuned for further developments.
Gentle Mother, Megbar, took her preschoolers out to dinner for the first time the other night. Wanting to make it a pleasant experience, she prepared them by explaining to them what they should expect and what she expected of them. The dinner went so well that she shared about it on Gentle Christian Mothers. I encourage you to go read about it as it is very encouraging.
While we’re on the subject, here is more from The Gentle Christian Mothers Forum.
So, I guess many of you noticed that this blog was down from Tuesday, November 19 at 1:00 PM PST until today. I’m sorry to disappear without warning, but the truth is that I did not even know about it until 2 hours after it happened.
I did notice on Monday the 18th that my traffic had gone up ten-fold, but I did not know that my host would pull the plug over that. They put up with it for what I assume was 24 hours and then advised us that they had placed a temporary block on the account because “This account was found to be consuming an inordinate amount of processor time, to the point of degrading overall system performance. While we do limit each account to no more than 25% of a system’s CPU in our terms of service, we do not actively disable accounts until they greatly exceed that number, which is what happened in this case.” Wow. [Read more...]
Tim Fall has a post at Spiritual Sounding Board about how Voddie Baucham and John Piper teach that parents must coerce their children into obeying them.
For more from Tim Fall, check out his response to a tweet from Mark Driscoll.
By the way, it has occurred to me that some might assume that I am against Independent Fundamental Baptist churches. On the contrary, I identify as an IFB because they teach the closest I have found to sound doctrine. These churches really are independent and the important thing is to find one which is neither abusive nor racist which is not always easy.
Spiritual Sounding Board tells us that The Board of Vision Forum Ministries Announced the Closing of Vision Forum Ministries. Again, this is the Non Profit Ministry. It is business as usual at the For Profit side of Vision Forum.
Here are some news stories and blogs about this story. I will add more as I find them.
An Infidelity Scandal Just Shuttered a Major ‘Biblical Patriarchy’ Organization in the Atlantic Wire
Vision Forum Ministries Closing by Calulu
Under Much Grace looks at Fallen Cult Leaders and explains how they work in Follow the Leader: Con Artists and Cultic Leaders Have No “Off Switch.”
Kathryn Joyce did a long and very thorough investigative report for Slate Magazine on Hana’s entire story. Her article also looks at adoption reform. I must warn you that if you are sensitive and/or easily triggered, please do not read this story. Here is what Maureen has to say about the same article.
The above mentioned article is perfect for sharing with any politicians or celebrities who might be willing to put pressure on Amazon.com to remove the book, To Train Up A Child. If you can’t think of anyone, here is an idea from StopSpanking.org
Please ask Patty Murray to follow Parliamentary Member Nadine Dorrie’s example to demand that Amazon remove “To Train Up a Child” — a book that advocates child abuse and has contributed to the death of Hanna Elemu, murdered by adoptive parents Carri and Larry Williams right here in Skagit County!Call Senator Murray at (866) 481-9186 OR email her at: http://www.murray.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contactme
Parliamentary Member Nadine Dorrie has agreed to contact Senator Murray to advise her to speak out on behalf of children and parents! Let Senator Murray know that Washingtonians are outraged by this book!
For a sample letter and more information on this issue:
I should also mention that while Amazon.ca.uk has removed the paperback version of To Train Up A Child, the Kindle version is still available. More info here in this edited and updated post from @ADadCalledSpen.
Maureen has an update on the Williams, just to tie up loose ends.
You have probably heard by now that Doug Phillips has resigned from his position as president of Vision Forum Ministries and and discontinued his speaking responsibilities.
When I first saw this, I did not know what to think. On one hand, he has done so much damage to so many people and yet he appeared to be doing the right thing by stepping down from the ministry when he fell. He sounded so repentant and I was even hopeful that he was finally going to understand grace. Then I started reading commentary and realized the following:
1) I failed to notice that he did not express any sorrow for hurting this nameless woman.
2) It would appear that he only stepped down from the ministry (non-profit) side of Vision forum. As far as anyone can tell, he continues to be the head of their For Profit side. Update Nov 6: He has published confirmation of continuing his position at Vision Forum.
Here are a few reactions to the news of Doug Phillips’ resignation: [Read more...]
Grace For My Sheep considers how much more important it is to meet the needs of her child than to worry about the “parent-judgers” in Not a “Good Baby,” Not a “Pharisee Momma.”
Tuesday October 29, 2013, the Williams were sentenced to prison for a very long time. Carri has been sentenced for 37 years and Larry for almost 28 years.
Cindy Kunsman, of Under Much Grace, responds to Judge Cook’s comment, “I am at a complete loss as to why this happened,” in An Open Message to Judge Susan Cook About the Williams’ Sentencing: The Development of the Perfect Storm, in which she attempts to explain why.
After the sentencing, the Ethiopian Community Center had a graveside service for Hana. (More about the graveside service.) They are working on getting a proper headstone for her grave. So far, they have not been successful because the family owns the plot so they are considering making a memorial elsewhere. For more information on that, see the Facebook Group.
I should also mention that this might not be the last we hear of this story as there has been talk of an appeal.
Here are some news stories:
Skagit County couple sentenced to prison for adopted daughter’s death in the Seattle Times.
Couple given long sentences for death of adopted girl on King 5 News which includes video from the sentencing. In this video we see a family friend speaking on the Williams’ behalf calling them “two of the truest and purest people on this earth.” I find that statement so flabbergasting that I don’t even know how to respond to it.
Religious Handbook Parents Carri and Larry Williams Given 65 Years for Killing Ethiopian Daughter in the UK Paper, the International Business Times.
According to recent news stories, Larry Williams’ Lawyers are trying to get him a new trial and/or a short sentence. The sentencing is scheduled for Tuesday, Oct 29, 2013.
Here is the story in the Skagit Valley Herald which discusses them requesting a new trial. (Clicking on this story will add a cookie to your browser to ensure that you only view 5 such stories in any 30 day period.)
Here is the story on Kiro TV which discusses them asking for a sentence of only 5 years (with 2 years credit for time served) because he had no idea what his wife was doing while he was away at work.
Also, Carri’s lawyers want her Manslaughter conviction dropped, since she was charged for the more serious crime, according to this story in the Skagit Valley Herald. (Clicking on this story will add a cookie to your browser to ensure that you only view 5 such stories in any 30 day period.)
There is a brand new blog called, Grace For My Sheep. Her latest post looks at a human’s inherent need for Jesus and how that relates to gentle parenting. Lovely! We can encourage her by liking her Facebook page.
In case anyone was worried about how Carri Williams is faring in jail, the Skagit Valley Herald reports that she is being kept safe in one of the Work Release pods. This was an upgrade from the Solitary Confinement cell she was in before, as they are not healthy to use for long term use. It’s nice to know that they are doing their best to be as humane as possible while she is paying the price for accidentally torturing her daughter to death. Maybe she will start to understand the concept of grace, (unmerited favor.)
Meanwhile, Larry has been in custody for 2 years and the article does not mention what protective measures they have been using to keep him alive, but one must assume that they are in place.
Sentencing is scheduled for Tuesday, Oct 29.
Yesterday I posted a link to an opinion piece on News 24 from South Africa about where the term “Spare The Rod, Spoil The Child” originated. I now have discovered that there is a rip-roaring spanking debate going on in South Africa over their proposed new law against spanking. The link I shared was a part of that debate. Heating up the debate even more is the recent development that the South Africa Human Rights Commission is investigating a church who has refused to stop teaching that one must spank their children. The church, Joshua Generation (JoshGen) is claiming that they are being persecuted for teaching God’s Truth. I got most of my information about this situation from another opinion piece on News 24 by Peter Allebone. Mr. Allebone does not argue from a Christian point of view and I disagree with his beliefs about evolution. However, I do not see what evolution has to do with spanking. He does give us some insight on the spanking debate and debunks the studies which were cited by Andrew Selley of JoshGen in his defense.
Please pray about this situation, specifically that the pastor of JoshGen will understand God’s will in this situation.
Sarah at Field of Vision has started a small series of posts looking at the Pearl’s teachings and specifically their attitude towards children. This series focuses on one particular article by Michael Pearl called, Emotional Manipulators.
Part 1: Parenting and the Power of Perspective in which she discusses how Michael Pearl assigns negative intent to a 4 year old child and her mother.
Part 2: Michael Pearl and Responding to Attention Seekers in which she discusses Michael Pearl’s diagnosis of the child and his very harsh proposed remedy.
She may post more of this series in the future, in which case I will add them to this post.