Pearl’s Reaction To the Duggar Debacle

Pearl’s reaction to the problems the Duggars have faced fits his M.O. perfectly. He continues to give the same advice that the Duggars were already following and insists that it works, in spite of it not working for them. I don’t doubt that in his mind, the fact that it didn’t work is proof that they did not follow it correctly.  It appears that he cannot or will not consider the possibility that his methods don’t work.

Does Candace Cameron Bure promote the Pearls?

Inquisitr.com reports that Candace Cameron Bure promotes some very harsh teachings including that of the Pearls’. They even link to an old blog post entitled,“Ask Candace” for proof.

Do you have any parenting tips?
Who doesn’t? We all learn things along the way, that we end up sharing with people whether they like it or not. 😉 There are 3 books I consult along with long conversations with my sister-in-law, mom and few good friends. The books that guideline raising our children are the Bible, Shepherding a Child’s Heart by Tedd Tripp and To Train Up a Child by Michael & Debi Pearl. My parenting tip of the day is … consistency; it’s key.

This article also discusses the Duggars and possible endorsement of the Pearls, which we have already discussed here.

About Adrian Peterson

Crystal Lutton discusses responses to the Adrian Peterson case.

Speaking of Crystal Lutton, she also explains what the Bible says about spanking.

When considering Adrian Peterson, Rebecca Diamond says that she was spanked and she turned out… well, you’ll have to read her post to find out.

Jennifer McGrail compares Adrian Peterson with Ray Rice in Hitting is Hitting is Hitting.

Well known NBA player, Kareem Abdul Jabbar condems spanking in Time Magazine.

World Mag Looks At the Pearls

Kiley Crossland of World Magazine takes a look at the Pearl’s teachings in To Train Up A Pharisee.

Review of TTUAC on HeraldNet

Jenny Bardsley has a post on HeraldNet honoring Hana Alemu “Williams” and reviewing the Pearl’s book, To Train Up A Child.

She speaks more about the book and homeschooling here.

She also discusses their teachings in her review of Elizabeth Esther‘s book.

Doug Phillips Being Sued By Former Nanny

Doug Phillips stepped down last October after admitting to an inappropriate relationship with a woman.

On March 27, the Christian Post reported that he was threatening his closest friends of conspiring to destroy him.

On April 14, WND reported that Lourdes Torres, Doug Phillips former nanny, was suing him.

Vision Forum denied the allegations on their Facebook wall.

Bill Gothard Resigns

Religion News Service reports that Bill Gothard has resigned from his position after being put on administrative leave following allegations of abuse.

 For background info about Bill Gothard, please see this post from Cindy, written a few days before his resignation.

The Christian Post Looks At The Petition To Amazon

The Christian Post reports that the Change.org petition (asking Amazon to stop selling the controversial book, To Train Up A Child) is closing in on 100,000 signatures. They then take a closer look at the Pearls’ teachings and the controversy surrounding them.

Book About Fight to Save Children from Faith-Healing Homicide

I received a comment, informing me about a book which mentions the Pearls. This book has gotten good and interesting reviews and I thought it might be of interest.

If you do not want to read the whole book, you can see a preview on Google Reads.  There is a search function for if you wish to find the part where the Pearls are mentioned.

On a side note, the review I linked above mentions Scientology.  That reminds me of a very interesting video I saw lately in which the great-grandson of L. Ron Hubbard exposes the family secrets about the beginning of Scientology.

Anderson Cooper 360 Takes Another Look At The Pearls

Andersoon Cooper 360 has taken their old footage from the interview Gary Tuchman did with Pearls back in Oct 2011 and the stories they did about the death of Lydia Schatz and remixed it with new footage about Hana “Williams,” in this new episode of Godly Discipline. They then discuss the Pearls’ culpability or lack of it, in the deaths. You will find both parts of this show (in 2 videos) on this page. You will find the transcript here. The segment in question starts about 2/3 of the way down. The easiest way to find it would be to use the find feature and search for “To Train Up A Child.”

Note: Here is more information about the Find Feature.

In case anyone is wondering, I am not in favor of holding the Pearls legally accountable.  The parents are to blame for following man instead of God.  Yes, the Bible does say that teachers bear a greater responsibility and God’s judgement will be fair.  I do believe that the teachings are dangerous and do my best to convince parents not to follow them and bookstores not to sell them. However, I am not trying to get the book banned, nor to harm the Pearls in any way.

 

Hana and Pearl Are All Over The Internet

There has been a lot of attention being given lately to the Pearls and the part their book, To Train Up A Child, played in the death of Hana Aleumu “Williams.” So much attention in fact, that my blog could not handle the traffic generated by Google searches and was taken offline from the 19th until today as explained here. So, here is a rundown of the posts and articles I missed posting during that time.

It started with this article on Nov 15: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by “To Train Up a Child” by Alicia Bayer of the Mankato Attachment Parenting Examiner. [Read more…]

Vision Forum Ministry Closed

Spiritual Sounding Board tells us that The Board of Vision Forum Ministries Announced the Closing of Vision Forum Ministries.  Again, this is the Non Profit Ministry.  It is business as usual at the For Profit side of Vision Forum.

Here are some news stories and blogs about this story.  I will add more as I find them.

Vision Forum to Close Down Following Doug Phillips’ Admission of ‘Inappropriate Relationship’ in the Christian Post

An Infidelity Scandal Just Shuttered a Major ‘Biblical Patriarchy’ Organization in the Atlantic Wire

Vision Forum Ministries Closing by Calulu

Married leader of controversial Quiverfull movement which promotes family values resigns and shuts down ministry after having an affair in the Daily Mail

Under Much Grace looks at Fallen Cult Leaders and explains how they work in Follow the Leader: Con Artists and Cultic Leaders Have No “Off Switch.”

Mr. Pearl Responds To British Parliament’s Efforts to Stop Sales Of TTUAC

ITV News reports that Mr. Pearl is Delighted Over Calls to Ban His Parenting Book.

Mr Pearl told the radio station: “I was delighted to hear that Parliament might ban my book, if they do, I will immediately advertise it as ‘the book banned in the UK’ and…we will end up selling another 100,000 books directly to the UK.”

Now, to clarify, the book would only be banned on the Amazon.co.uk website. I have not heard anything about making it illegal to sell the book in the UK. However, if it is banned on a UK website, it is technically “banned in the UK,” at least in one small part of it. Therefore, he apparently does not feel that it would be misleading to promote the book at “banned in the UK.”

@ADadCalledSpen writes More On To Train Up A Child and has some questions. (Disclaimer: some language on that site)

How, can a book sell more if it’s banned from sale? How can you sell something that can’t be sold? That would be illegals[sic].

[Read more…]

British Parliament Wants Amazon to Stop Selling TTUAC

Nadine Dorries, a member of the British Parliament, is insisting that Amazon.co.uk stop selling Michael and Debi Pearl’s book, To Train Up A Child, according to an article by Jessica Elgot in the Huffington Post.

The story was then picked up by Parentdish who wrote quite a long article about the story as well as the book in question.

Also, there is a new petition on Change.com asking Amazon.co.uk to stop selling To Train Up A Child.   This petition is only about To Train Up A Child, unlike the old petition which asked Amazon to “refuse to carry books which advocate the physical abuse of children,” including, Shepherding a Child’s Heart by Tedd Tripp; and Don’t Make Me Count to Three by Ginger Plowman.

On top of that, @ADadCalledSpen has An Open Letter to Jeff Bezos and All @Amazon About To Train Up A Child going around Twitter.

The Resignation of Doug Phillips

You have probably heard by now that Doug Phillips has resigned from his position as president of Vision Forum Ministries and and discontinued his speaking responsibilities.

When I first saw this, I did not know what to think.  On one hand, he has done so much damage to so many people and yet he appeared to be doing the right thing by stepping down from the ministry when he fell.  He sounded so repentant and I was even hopeful that he was finally going to understand grace.  Then I started reading commentary and realized the following:

1) I failed to notice that he did not express any sorrow for hurting this nameless woman.

2) It would appear that he only stepped down from the ministry (non-profit) side of Vision forum.  As far as anyone can tell, he continues to be the head of their For Profit side.   Update Nov 6: He has published confirmation of continuing his position at Vision Forum. Update Jan 21, 2014 The for profit side of Vision Forum has been shut down.

Here are a few reactions to the news of Doug Phillips’ resignation: [Read more…]

Where Did “Spare The Rod And Spoil The Child” Really Come From?

Do No Harm has a post at News 24 in Cape Town explaining what Spare The Rod and Spoil The Child really means.  He also links to Samuel Martin’s book which is available as a free download here.

How Many Churches Allow and Even Encourage Abuse

Valerie Tarico looks at the problem of  Christian discipline leading to abuse in “Bible-based” discipline has led to child abuse in Salon Magazine.  I am seeing non-believers getting more and more concerned with this issue and rightly so.  It breaks my heart that abusive Christians are giving Christianity a bad name.  Of course, it is only natural that they are trying to find a way to stop the abuse.  My only concern with that is that their definition of abuse often includes teaching children that they are sinners in need of salvation, which is the heart of the Gospel.

Because of that article, Pastor Doug Bursch (who was raised in a grace-filled, loving home) discussed the problem with M. Dolon Hickmon on his Christian Talk Radio show, Live from Seattle 820AM.  This conversation is extremely interesting as well as important.  Dolon explains how important it is for Christians to recognize abuse.  Not only do churches fail to notice abuse, they often inadvertently encourage it.  He explains how each person listening to a sermon about spanking has a different definition for the words being used.  Both abused children and their parents assume that the word, “spanking” means exactly what they are currently doing and are being validated that they should continue, even if the pastor preaching means nothing of the sort.  Raising awareness is very important and he has a lot of hope that the book he wrote will go a long way towards that.  You can get information about his book here.  ****Warning!  Book very triggering for survivors of abuse****

 

The Beast Looks At Homeschooling

The Daily Beast looks at the problem of certain parents who use homeschooling as a way to hide their abuse  in The Sinister Side of Homeschooling.  This article does make it clear that homeschooling is usually not done as an excuse to abuse and that most homeschooling parents are not abusive.  However, the author of the piece also appears to be advocating for more oversight of homeschooling.  I am not sure I agree with that.  More children who attend public schools are abused than homeschoolers and even so, many die.  How much oversight would be necessary of homeschoolers in order to make sure that they are not abused?  I do feel that it would be a slippery slope.

The Pearls in the Religion News

Jonathan Merritt has published an article about Michael and Debi Pearl on ReligionNews.com entitled, How Influential Are Michael and Debi Pearl?  And How Harmful? He only found out about them recently but has apparently done his homework very well.

A Look At The Spanking Controversy in Canada

The United Church Observer has published an article called, To Spank Or Not to Spank, by Sarah Boesveld about the spanking controversy in Canada.  While I am glad that the United Church of Canada has taken a public stand against spanking, I do not link to this as Christian arguments, but of interest as a news story.  Canadian Evangelical, C.L. Dyke of Scita Scienda, explains why in a comment  which I will reproduce here.

The greater context to this is that the UCC is a denomination which has thrown out orthodox (I use the word generically, not denominationally) Christian doctrine in favour of unbridled humanism. They actively disavow the deity of Jesus Christ and the authority of the Bible–scripture is a text to be interpreted by today’s shifting social customs, and filtered for generic principles common to human decency, rather than a narrative deserving of the same respect and scholarly approach as any other ancient text.

The quote in the article about supporting the oppressed lines up to this:

–Support anti-spanking

–Support homosexual advocacy and lobbying

–Support abortion (hmm, an interesting clash of principle occurs here)

–Reject the deity of Jesus Christ and His calling upon humankind to repent of sin and accept personal, substitutionary salvation based on Christ’s atonement; eject pastors who preach it.

Meanwhile, Canadian law is already very pro-child.

In writ, it is illegal to spank under the age of 2 or over the age of 12; it is illegal to leave so much as a red mark; it is illegal to spank with an implement.

In practice, spanking of any kind has the potential to incur social services intervention.

As someone who is anti-Pearl and pro-attached/gentle parenting, but not anti-spanking across the board, I feel the scales are already sufficiently balanced against the principles of individual freedom in our country’s legal system.

While the compassion expressed for Hana Williams’ horrific death is only appropriate, the UCC’s word is pretty tainted to me as a Canadian evangelical. I’m not sure how we are to see the brokenness of humanity healed without Christ.

The UCC’s solution is moral relativism and socialism. Given the (for now) fringe push on the far left to accept pedophilia under the guise of “children’s sexual rights,” that approach doesn’t avail for me as a guarantor of children’s rights and safety in this life, all eternal considerations aside.

 

K-12 News Network Speaks Out Against Harsh Discipline

The Spanking Controversy has been in the public eye quite often lately.  More and more often, it focuses on the religious aspect.  For example, Cynthia from K-12 News Network expresses concerns about Corporal Punishment in “Tiger Moms” Now Usurped by “Wolf Dads”.  Of course, this piece mainly focuses on cultural attitudes towards spanking, but she does discuss the Schatz Tragedy and the Christian Spanking Controversy so I thought that it would be of interest to  my readers.

Pearl Debates Heimlich in The Christian Post

The Christian Post reports on and shows the video of the debate about Biblical Chastisement between Michael Pearl and Janet Heimlich.  Be sure to read Teri’s rebuttal to Pearl in the comments below.

Speaking of debates, when Christian Today took their stand against spanking, they were criticized by Author and theologian Denny Burk.

Michael Pearl’s Appearance on Dr. Drew

As I posted 2 weeks ago, Michael appeared on Dr. Drew’s Lifechangers on Feb 21.  I have just found that entire segment of the show on YouTube so I wanted to share it with you.  I  was pleased to see that one of the guests explained the results of cortisol on the brain and how it can cause damage.  They also discussed that one can discipline without spanking.

Michael Pearl and the Spanking Debate (Part 1)
Michael Pearl and the Spanking Debate (Part 2)
Michael Pearl and the Spanking Debate (Part 3)
Michael Pearl and the Spanking Debate (Part 4)

CNN Story on Christian Talk Radio

Jeri, the Owner of Gentle Christian Mothers, just sent me an interesting link.  This is a Talk Radio Show about the CNN coverage of the Schatz Story from Aug 18, 2011.  The half hour show is called, Issues Etc. and the host is Told Wilken.  After playing the audio of the CNN show, he accepts calls and emails from his listeners to discuss the question, “Is Spanking Required in the Bible?”.  His conclusion seems to be that it is not mandated but neither it is prohibited.   The key to him is discipline.

And in the latest news about the Pearls, they just released a new book.  I see that Amazon is not at all concerned about the Petition.

The Pearls Defend Themselves on CBS News

CBS has given the Pearls a chance to defend themselves in this news story.   (If you don’t want to watch the video, most of the tex of t is in the link.)

Michael Pearl Quote Selected as QOD on CNN’s Belief Blog

CNN’s Belief Blog chose a quote from Michael Pearl as Quote of The Day for today, Thursday Feb 23, 2012.

Quote of the Day:

It is something that is rooted in the nature of every human being. We see it across the animal kingdom all animals discipline their young they have to if the animals are going to survive. So it stands to reason that if it is wise, good and according to nature, God is going to agree with it because he’s pretty smart too.

A new controversial book titled Train Up A Child, tells parents to spank their children using wooden spoons, spatulas and even plumbing tools. Michael Pearl talks with a reporter from WVNSTV about what he says is the importance of this type of punishment.

Michael Pearl On Dr. Drew’s Show Feb 21, 2012

Dr. Drew features a debate about spanking in Is It Wrong To Spank? on his Lifechangers Show on Tuesday, February 21, 2012.   Michael Pearl joins Dr. Drew in Part 2.

By the way, you can find out where and when it will air in your area here.

Update Feb 21:  Dr. Drew has some clips from the show.  Here is Pearl spanking Dr. Drew.

Update March 1: Here is the part of the show which includes Michael Pearl on You Tube:

Michael Pearl and the Spanking Debate (Part 1)
Michael Pearl and the Spanking Debate (Part 2)
Michael Pearl and the Spanking Debate (Part 3)
Michael Pearl and the Spanking Debate (Part 4)

Christianity Today and the Spanking Issue

William  Webb commends Christianity Today and the stance they have taken on the Spanking Issue.

Christianity Today Article On Corporal Punishment Now Online

The Christianity Today Article I mentioned earlier has been posted to their website: Thou Shalt Not Abuse.

Christianity Today Article on Corporal Punishment

Christianity Today Magazine has an article about Corporal Punishment in their January 2012 Issue which you might want to purchase.  When and if they post it online, I will post a link to it.  This article mentions Hana Alemu “Williams”,  Lydia Schatz and Sean Paddock and the influence of To Train Up A Child by Michael and Debi Pearl.  It then goes on to discuss the spanking controversy and Professor William Webb’s book, Corporal Punishment In The Bible.

There is a discussion of the article on the Gentle Christian Mothers forum which contains a small quote.

Update:  It has been posted here.


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